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Motorcycle clothing ?
Ok, I am soon to hit the road, well, first complete my compulsory basic training, and then hit the road complete with learner plates on my fully sorted project, and I would like some guidance on protective clothing. To make things clear, I am in my forties and have the usual age related problems, aches and pains from past injuries, and the fact that being no spring chicken, what ache one gets, stays for a while these days, so the prospect of falling off my bike is not that tasteful. I try to be realistic with whatever I do, I go on the premise that things are going to go wrong, so I gear up for that eventuality, a leaner in amongst rush hour traffic in the morning, yeah, it is highly likely some half asleep or hung over dim wit on four wheels is going to ruin my day, so I want to be prepared for the low speed fall offs.
The bike will be used largely for commuting, but my question is, what protective clothing do I need aside from the skid lid ? I have a heavy leather jacket, and leather jeans, but neither contain any padding or armour, so am considering their practicality for motorcycling, and the fact that it rains a lot around here, leather ain't that waterproof. I am intrigued with the supermoto/ motorcross body armour, but is this a bit much for commuting, what would people suggest, I need protection, but what ?
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I'd go with armour protected fabric type jacket and trousers you can wear over your work clothes. Full face helmet too! Read some bike magazines on the shelves of your local newsagents for a detailed view of the UK bike clothing market!
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Hi Sprocket . Sound advice from ZMC888 (as usual!). :icon10: Ride Magazine does some great product testing, especially protective gear. You can have a look thro’ it’s archive, here: http://www.motorcyclenews.com/Micros...aspx?id=105097
Protective gear is a topic I’ve looked at in some depth, since going from a scoot to a 125 bike. I’m talking UK and speed limits here, not 100+ mph racers. Amazing how much safer I feel on me scoot. Other road users are distinctly more courteous and don’t try and kill me, as I get on my bike. :eekers: I can’t overstress the importance of protective gear (clothing & bike add-ons). Especially with age – bones get more brittle and cartilage degrades in the neck and spine. You’ll lose skin from road abrasion just as easily at any age mind. What a rider does about it (legislation apart) depends on his/her perception of risk (hence motivation), peer pressure, cost and fashion (all in varying degrees).
The key thing to remember is that if you come off a £599 Chinese125 (like mine) or a £20,000 Harley, it makes no little difference to the injuries (both can do 70mph) – unless the heavier machine falls on top of you. Splat. So don’t relate the value of the bike to what the protective gear is going to cost you.
Most vulnerable body bits at risk are: Head - Joints (elbows, knees, wrists, knuckles, ankles, shoulders, hips, spine and neck) - Skin loss (skin grafts are ugly and painful) – non-Kevlar textiles last about 1/20th of a second and then it’s skin off time. So protective clothing is: Helmet – Gloves – Jacket – Trousers - Boots.
Here’s what I use. As I don’t do wet (no fun in that for me :eek2:), please read textile for leather and denim. Unless you go for a lightweight wet weatherproof oversuit (saves buying wet and dry weather gear and leather looks sooooo cool! :thumbsup:)
Helmet: Full-face gives best protection – protects jaw and nose. I have one, but hate wearing it and usually wear an open face – cos better visibility and no chance off false perception of being more secure a full-face can give.
Gloves – Supple leather with exterior joint armour, Kevlar lined.
Jacket – 2mm to 3mm thick Cow hide leather with internal shoulder, back and elbow armour.
Trousers – Denim jeans with internal hip and knee armour, Kevlar lined.
Boots – 2-3mm Cow hide, calf length.
For warm Summer riding I use Motocross armour (elbows, shoulders, back, chest) set in an elasticised open mesh and a Kevlar lined long sleeve tee-shirt on top instead of the jacket. Coooool, right! [as far as I know only ‘Draggin Jeans’ do this type of t-shirt]. No, I don’t look (or feel) like Michelin Man when I’m wearing this stuff either.!!
Having said all of the above. If you are over 55-60 the only choice of jacket is the one with air-bags, similar to this: http://www.eggparka.com/english/main.html My eye is on the new light grey suede version @ £450. Ouch. Now that is COOOOOOL. And you can’t get anything safer! :naughty:
Add-ons for bike:
- Front and rear crash bars [give more road presence and limit damage to the bike – may help save a leg from a side-on]
- Xenon headlamp bulb [on during the day to for road presence – seen at greater distance than any day glow jacket]
- Quality tyres with good wet/dry grip
- Louder horn
- RPG, grenade launcher and heavy machine gun for cagers.:gun_bandana:
Phew. Lecture over! :mwink:
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Sprocket,
Can only add to the excellent advice already given. I'm assuming you also don't want to look like a comic book super hero so if you're looking to be safe and commute all weather, get a textile suit. Any quality riding gear will be expensive so it really depends on how much you want to spend and what type of riding you plan on doing.
Full face helmet, to me, is the only way to go for impact, rain,rock, hail and bug protection (plus you can be swearing up a shit storm inside and nobody will know). :icon10: For convenience and comfort, get a lift face, full face helmet and enjoy the best of many worlds. Lift face helmets are also very nice if you wear glasses, need to eat smoke or drink anything and would like to talk with people while not looking like Darth Vader.
Safety gear will buid up over time as you collecxt whats best for certain weather conditions. Again, it comes down to the type or riding and how much you can spend. Any guesses?
CC
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For me, it is leather, leather and more leather - just about all the time. I understand from my own reading of mags that nothing beats it yet for abrasion resistance and it is very waterproof if it is well looked after. You need bike gear, not fashion gear, so it is designed with seams that won't come undone or chafe, flap-over windproof fronts, heavy zips and more. It is worth saving up for and is certainly worth spending a fair proportion of the vehicle cost to keep you alive and not ripped to shreds or to end up as a cabbage. Having said that, you can find good gear at reasonable prices on Ebay as long as it is up to whatever British or Euro Standards apply now (or in my case now, Aussie Standards). Helmet, always new.
If money is a real problem you should also look around the charity shops and ask your mates about a decent jacket to start with, you never know who has what in the cupboard from their past. My own jacket is 30 years old and still in excellent order because I polish it and dubbin it and the seams are waxed. You can always wear a light nylon over-suit as well. And in most climates most of the year at 100 kph you need good gear;, windchill, hail, all affect you badly and even hurt. One tip, chamois leather sown to the glove to wipe the visor.
In Aus where it is bloody hot, often over 35 to 40 degrees it is always so tempting not to wear such heavy gear on the warmest days when even the speed doesn't cool you enough (its just a quick trip up the road luv... famous last words) but even then when I don't wear the quilted jacket I wear Fox lightweight full armour over mesh and also knee protection. One day I shall get some hip pads and something like perforated leather jeans. Meanwhile the heavy leather jeans are Ok even on hot days as long as somewhere on your body you can catch the breeze and cool. I never go without armoured gloves and above ankle boots, lace-up or strap-on, never elastic. Best to get proper bike boots and that is my own next purchase. I just keep thinking and remembering what a fall off of rollerskates or a push-bike is like (done both) at comparatively low speeds and energy. Both have concussed me and left me with permanent scars.
I have come off a motorbike a couple of times too over the years and been very lucky to slide in leather through traffic long enough to slow down before impact with objects and come out of it unscathed, just a bit shaken. It is real folks, we ride bikes fast over the hard ground surrounded by fast moving vehicles driven by idiots and trees and buildings and fences that do not bend or squish. We are the bit that squishes, why have any illusions about it? Every-day people think they are safe wrapped up in cars with airbags and seat restraints and everyday at the same speeds we use, they die or are maimed. We are much more at risk. Get good gear, bit by bit as quick as you can and stuff the fashion, you are a bike-rider not a model.
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jape
For me, it is leather, leather and more leather - just about all the time. I understand from my own reading of mags that nothing beats it yet for abrasion resistance and it is very waterproof if it is well looked after...
Where I live attracts a lot of bikers in the summer. Generally, over 45-50+'s wear leather - for the over 60s' nothing else will do! - and the under 45's textile. I prefer leather myself cos it looks cooool (fashion init, eh :mwink:). The fabrics used for textile bike clothing is state-of-the-art stuff and will protect from skin abrasion as well as Cow hide (some say more so :naughty:).
Some great bike clothing bargains to be had at the moment in the UK. I got RST Cowhide armoured jacket for £70 down from £149, RST armoured Kevlar lined denim jeans for £55 down from £70, and leather above ankle boots £56 down from £110.
I did note that the prices for motocross type armour were unchanged (£60-£70). Ditton the air-bag jackets. :confused1:
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AEROSTICH.COM..... the Darian Light jacket and over pants.... or the new ALL Leather Transit suit..... Their jackets and pants are well worth the money and if you are going to ride year round and you have a cold fall and winter upgrade to the heats inner jacket.... And of cousre a full face helmet and above the ankle boot for support. Dont for get armored gloves...
remener ATGATT.... all the gear all the time. Its a pain at times but someday it just might save you bacon especially for commuters....
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I just found these kevlar under wear in grey - and I am saving up for them: expensive but ideal for under other clothes. Much nicer than the original yellow stuff. My thinking is that I go through my normal jeans in about six months of work and play and prefer to buy cheap ones and cargos, i.e. <$30 a pair so with these under them I can chop and change the leg gear. Don't know about the shirt as I wear my leather jacket all year but I shall see how the legs feel and maybe get one for next summer.
http://www.dragginjeans.net/product/k-legs
http://www.dragginjeans.net/product/k-shirt
I have also found a range of kevlar lined hoodies, long Ts, gloves etc. at http://www.bladerunner.tv/mens-hoode...ea2km3bmuvq9n0
however although Kevlar lined and properly rated as stab proof it may not be suitable for abrasion. Cool gear though ...
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jape
I just found these kevlar under wear in grey - and I am saving up for them: expensive but ideal for under other clothes...
Great spot there Jape :thumbsup:...but the prices are eye watering. However, must have must get. :riding:
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davidqc
Great spot there Jape :thumbsup:...but the prices are eye watering. However, must have must get. :riding:
I know, but it seems everything is bloody expensive these days! I wish the Chinese would start a foray into this market segment (ANYONE READING THIS PLEASE NOTE?)
I just gave up smoking in order to be an even grumpier bastard than usual and dammit, the stress makes me want to take it up again! However it does free (theoretically) a few bucks for hobbies as soon as the savings kick in which somehow isn't happening yet. Oh well, thank goodness for credit cards sometimes eh?
On a serious note, I have read somewhere that this type of kevlar is stronger than most and as a lightweight under garment it allows a much more flexible array of pants/trousers.
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Some great ideas out there, and a good onrunning thread, good to let people know just what is becoming available and where the best prices are.
Me, well to start with, I have thickish leathers but they have no provision for padding, so what I am looking at getting is this sort of thing ;
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/XXL-Motocross-...item414c579889
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Skiing-Snowboa...item414d2f4cb5
The sort of stuff that can be worn under clothing, or if I am feeling particularly mind full, over the leathers. I quite like the bug like exoskeleton look. Also I am looking out for motocross boots, but helmet, probably a full face road type lid.
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You could take one of those and turn it into an ant suite! Just get a black helmet and glue some old windshield wipers on for antennae!
If you're on a budget, main thing is to get helmet, boots and a couple different types of gloves. After that I'd say good jacket and then pants. Elbow and knee pads can be had for cheap as well...I've always wondered how the foam football/soccer type of knee pads would work under a pair of jeans. May give you some impact protection but would likely slide off if dragged across the ground. That's another point... be sure the jacket you get has a way to tighten up the cuffs. I had a buddy go down wearing a normal leather jacket but when his arms contacted the ground the cuffs un-buttoned and the whole sleeve slide up above his elbows making it TOTALLY useless for protection. Major road rash on his hands, knuckles and the entiere length of his forearm up to the elbow (forearm rash was the worst and very deep with that white color). Zip down cuffs if you can!
CC
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In the UK, LIDL have been offering some fantastic biker gear. Real quality on a budget - I'm cleaned out!: http://www.lidl.co.uk/cps/rde/xchg/S...offerdate=8675
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You jammy buggers! Winter is coming down-under and I need all of that stuff - worked it out to be at least double the price here for similar quality. So if this gear is still available and any of you lot over there want a bottle of scotch, I want someone to get a 'birthday present' together for me 9to save customs problems) and send it over to me down-under, seriously ... XL jacket, gloves, black rainsuit, set of underwear, I will pay all costs upfront.
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Well, to update, my bike is just about finished and I have started the protective gear hunt. So far I have the Caberg Trip/Rhino lifting face helmet and a pair of old Sidi motorcross boots. Everything works with my current leathers, but now I am looking for the armour and feel I will be going down the motocross armour route, the mesh and joint protector jackets and trousers to wear under my leathers. For when it rains, I have a British army surplus goretex rain suit, £20 all in, and good because it is made from the heaviest grade of goretex fabric, ( So, I will look like a mobile cabbage, but as long as I am dry, I don't care ). Gloves, I have the AARD kevlar jointed gloves.
Has anyone any suggestions how to soften up leather motor cross boots, for mine are a tadge stiff and I feel like the wrong trousers in them at the present.
Also, has anyone fitted padding to leathers that don't have pockets for padding ?
Everything I have and intend to get, is black, including the bike....What about visibility to other drivers you may ask, well, to that I will also be wearing a solid dayglo yellow vest over the leather jacket, for the reason that as a driver in the past, a mishmash of bright colours confuses the eye, and especially bright colours with writing or decals on, they create interest in what is written, not interest in keeping away from the biker. So, I am going on visibility defined by contrast, dayglo yellow on a non reflective black back ground.
Mind, given that drivers seem to be trained to recognise red as stop or danger, I wonder if a dayglo red is available.
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My jacket is like a waistcoat and bright dayglo red, as common as yellow in Aus and cost me just about 5 quid from a bicycle shop! It also has reflective stripes for night which glow very well. If you can't find anyin UK let me know and I will send you one!
You like black on your gear ( I do too ), so for an extra coupla quid on Ebay you can get black 3M tape which is sticky backed and stiff but flexible enough to go on curved objects like helmet and bits of the bike like suspension. This tape looks black in daytime but shines white at night. PM me your address and I will send a sample piece I had left over.
This is what I am saving up for: kevlar leggings
Draggin GREY KEVLAR LEGGINGS
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jape
:eek2: Uhm, why do you think those trousers are good?
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This kind of kevlar is meant to be nearly as good as professional leathers for abrasion in a slide and is full cover rather than just some places like in most re-inforced jeans. Also I can choose any kind of trousers including tailored on some (rare) occasions when riding, instead of having to get kevlar reinforced jeans and cargos and having to change clothes if I am having to dress up for a visit or an appointment. The climate in this part of Australia is such that I can use a motorbike happily nine/ten months of the year without extra bad weather gear. Summer is hot but with thin cotton pants on top these leggings should be ok in a breeze, better than thick leather anyway.
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Ah, ok, safety and comfort. It is a difficult compromise to do well. I personally just think that impact protection is more important than abrasion resistance for street or trail riders, so I was a little bit puzzled. Could be insteresting to see some statistics of wounds street motorcyclists have got.
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I have some light armour (plastic/mesh) I wear when I am riding right off the road. I am not comfortable in it and would prefer some built in I think. Might get some CE hip and knee pads and velcro fix them, it seems to be as good as pockets made specially for them.
Those leggings are soft after washing apparently so when working on the block in the cold I could wear them more than just when riding, i.e. when chainsawing ( I do a bit most days). That is the theory ...
Yeah, the compromise is always difficult especially when you just want to hop on the 'bike on a short trip. I always wear my leather jacket but often wear just jeans for such trips - which I KNOW is stupid.
Talking anecdotaly only, my neighbour rides a m'bike every day to work and his wife who is a long experienced nurse around the world says that since the use of helmets most injuries that aren't total mincemeat or plain and simple write-off crunches are lower body and nasty to fix with muscles torn and ripped down to the bone, skin rubbed off and fibres from clothes all mixed in ... she enjoys painting a horrible picture to us over dinner.
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Nurses and those involved in ER/casualty departments of hospitals are invaluable for advice when it comes to choosing road protection, for they see it all. One nurse I know says quite clearly, don't ride a motorcycle, as even with the best gear, we are still kind of squishy when it comes to hard objects and velocity. But hey, what is life without risk, we all risk on a daily basis, what lessens our chance of coming unstuck, is knowledge and a healthy dose of self preservation.
I will always be a slow rider, my thought processing speed is not good, below average I am told, but with a lifelong interest in slow vehicles, I can manage at my pace of life, what I am more scared of on the road, is the half asleep wankers in their heated, sound and road proofed cages only a few steps behind press a button and arrive at the destination with no thought involved car pilots.
Maybe a good idea, a website from a medics point of view and a manufacturers point of view, so we can all choose what protection we need for what we do on two wheels based upon the people who have to pick up the pieces.
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Yeah but we often cannot get details or truth from most pratts like 'Draggin Jeans' who are well known on forums for being unco-operative. We have to go by forum posts and reviews and they are very subjective but overall from my research UK Hoods beat Draggin for fit quality and protection (and more cover), then Draggin and some USA ones. But 'Darggin' are the only ones I can find make the leggings - so I have to use them even though I don't like 'Draggin as a company - for example I just today sent them an email asking whether the kevlar weave is a 600 or 1000 denier. The tests show a marked difference in abrasion resistance.
The answer was simple and short: "We don't give out that information".
My response was simple and short too:
How stupid is that? You make the bloody things and must have that detail, I just want to find out for myself and friends on various motorcycle forums, the strength of the kevlar weave for goodness sakes. Obviously 1000 is better than 600 but 600 would be fine under test results I have seen. Why don't you use some common-sense, stretch a point and tell me, hardly a trade secret or rocket science?
I think any rival manufacturer who wanted to copy would know enough to tell from looking at them and thus as usual 'Darggin won't let us know what we are buying to protect ourself. They are arrogant fools and seem to be gradually going high-end cost and toward fashion. The womens' jeans they do are very low waisted and don't even cover their arse, which although sweet to look at is hardly protection.Sod 'em. Hopefully someone else will move in and thrash them.
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I know a few people who have the Draggin Jeans and other names like a similar offering called Red Route and I believe there are other names out there now, a few Biker suppliers selling much the same stuff, but if I had the cash, I would go this way ;
Armour Pants
But seeing as I am not, I will stick with leathers, as I wore them prior to getting a bike anyway, I am used to their properties in all weathers, in fact sweat in them in the summer, it does them good, they become more pliable.
But seeing as I slipped on the rocks at the beach yesterday whilst wearing leathers, I landed on my tail bone, and boy did that hurt, and even more so today, I remember thinking under armour is needed for more activities rhan just motorcycling.
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jape
My jacket is like a waistcoat and bright dayglo red, as common as yellow in Aus and cost me just about 5 quid from a bicycle shop! It also has reflective stripes for night which glow very well. If you can't find anyin UK let me know and I will send you one!
You like black on your gear ( I do too ), so for an extra coupla quid on Ebay you can get black 3M tape which is sticky backed and stiff but flexible enough to go on curved objects like helmet and bits of the bike like suspension. This tape looks black in daytime but shines white at night. PM me your address and I will send a sample piece I had left over.
This is what I am saving up for: kevlar leggings
Draggin GREY KEVLAR LEGGINGS
Thanks for the very kind offers, but regards the black 3M reflective tape, I have been there on that already ;
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I have it on the wheel rims as my fill in flash picked up in the first picture, what was left over, my matt black helmet got it too and there are plans for more of the stuff on the fork protectors and chain guard. The dayglo gear, that has 3M stripes sewn on
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Thanks for starting this thread and to everyone for all the great advice on clothing.
As I "patiently" wait for my JH600 to be built in Chongqing, I've started looking for clothing and accessories here in Shanghai. As we all know, stores and selections are few and far between wherever we live. Since I'll be in Beijing this week on a business trip, I want to use the opportunity to visit the Beijing shops as well. Does anyone have a short-list of stores names/addresses for me? For reference, I'm in the market for jacket/pants (prefer textile), gloves, helmet, boots. Some of the brands in Shanghai that I saw and liked include Spidi (for clothing) and Shoei (for helmet). Thank you in advance!
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MotoKai
Thanks for starting this thread and to everyone for all the great advice on clothing.
As I "patiently" wait for my JH600 to be built in Chongqing, I've started looking for clothing and accessories here in Shanghai. As we all know, stores and selections are few and far between wherever we live. Since I'll be in Beijing this week on a business trip, I want to use the opportunity to visit the Beijing shops as well. Does anyone have a short-list of stores names/addresses for me? For reference, I'm in the market for jacket/pants (prefer textile), gloves, helmet, boots. Some of the brands in Shanghai that I saw and liked include Spidi (for clothing) and Shoei (for helmet). Thank you in advance!
Have a visit to Motorway.
Want to meet up for a drink?
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Buying online from TaoBao could be an option, though usually one has to have a good grasp of Mandarin as few sellers use English. Also one should be cautious about quality and be aware that there are many copied/fake products sold on TaoBao, though with some careful investigation can find some decent products at fairly competitive pricing. Again, having Mandarin language ability is key to not being disappointed. Here's a couple of teaser links, but there are others... and in no way am I say that these links are selling 100% authentic products but by the same token am I suggesting they are copied or fake products either. Just be mindful it is BUYER beAware. I have bought loads of items both motorcycle related and not, but I always buy after careful investigation and trying to confirm any of the seller's claims etc
http://shop33006457.taobao.com/
http://shop33206531.taobao.com/
http://shop34946943.taobao.com/
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bikerdoc
Buying online from TaoBao could be an option, though usually one has to have a good grasp of Mandarin as few sellers use English. Also one should be cautious about quality and be aware that there are many copied/fake products sold on TaoBao, though with some careful investigation can find some decent products at fairly competitive pricing. Again, having Mandarin language ability is key to not being disappointed. Here's a couple of teaser links, but there are others... and in no way am I say that these links are selling 100% authentic products but by the same token am I suggesting they are copied or fake products either. Just be mindful it is BUYER beAware. I have bought loads of items both motorcycle related and not, but I always buy after careful investigation and trying to confirm any of the seller's claims etc
http://shop33006457.taobao.com/
http://shop33206531.taobao.com/
http://shop34946943.taobao.com/
I'll second TaoBao.I use my friends account who is a gold platinum or whatever TaoBao account(he had bought 1000s of items).He got it cheaper and would be negotiating with 5 shops at once on the price and shipping costs.
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I can vouch for at least one of these online shops -- Qiyi Motorcycle Accessories -- as I know the owners and have purchased items in their retail shop in Wenshui Lu here in Shanghai. Simon Wang (aka 王俺云) and his wife are avid motorcyclists and put their heart into this business. They don't speak a ton of English, though I've been encouraging Simon to put in the effort.
513 Wenshui Lu, a couple of km east of the North-South Elevated up in northern Hongkou district (虹口区汶水路513号), a bit east of Cello's BMW shop.
Simon's mobile: +86 130 6268 8803
He's always offering to special order stuff, including tires, though I've not ordered anything yet.
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...513 Wenshui Lu, a couple of km east of the North-South Elevated up in northern Hongkou district (虹口区汶水路513号), a bit east of Cello's BMW shop.
Simon's mobile: +86 130 6268 8803
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Tons of great recommendations in this Thread and others as well. Thanks to all of you!
@CrazyCarl is it possible to put a Listings section somewhere, e.g.:
Bike Clothing - Beijing
Bike Clothing - Shanghai
Bike Clothing - Taobao
Bike Clothing - others
Bike Dealers...
Bike Parts...
For me in Kunming, I might have nice riding possibilities, but to get certain things is a pain in the ass sometimes, regular travel to Beijing and Shanghai eases that, but need to know where to go...