Denmark C-Moto Club - Kinojserklubben.com

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04-30-2008, 09:45 AM
petedeuxwheels

Denmark C-Moto Club - Kinojserklubben.com

Great site. My name is Pete Young. Live in Scandinavia. There's been an big increase in China bikers here in the past couple of years. That's particularly true of Denmark where I live. Because of the massive taxes on cars and bikes, the Chinese motorcycles have been embraced by a big group of users. The low prices and fun bikes have really sparked interest

We have a very active club here in Demark called 'Kinojserklubben' which has more than 600 members (see: http://www.kinojserklubben.dk

I have two Chinese bikes a CF Moto 150 (used mainly in the winter months)

http://www.schooltimes.com/peteprivate/ejewel5.JPG

and a Ledow Borelli 250V which you can see in the opening scenes of a little film I made of our tour last weekend where more than 40 Chinese bikes took part. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roSmnzWWy6A

http://www.schooltimes.com/peteprivate/ledow1.JPG

I've also ridden a Regal Raptor 250E for two years but recently sold it (after 15,000kms) and went for the Ledow (looks identical to the little Yamaha Virago) because I wanted to try out a V motor.

Thanks for this forum.

Best wishes

Pete
04-30-2008, 10:05 AM
Supersignet

welcome to the site. It's great to get some users from Europe. The site is only one week old and were looking to grow to cover Chinese made motorcycles in every art of the world.
04-30-2008, 01:54 PM
petedeuxwheels

Thanks, impressive site, lots of interesting stuff already.

Cheers

Pete
05-04-2008, 02:03 AM
CrazyCarl

Pete,

Glad to hear you've got such a strong community of C-moto riders in Denmark and would be nice to have that same community spirit elsewhere in the world.

Your videos are great and would like to put them in a more obvious place on this board. I know you must spend a lot of time putting them together and fast too! The most recent one just ended a week ago. Judging by the video, it looks like you guys are large and in charge with Chinese motorcycles there. You might be the strongest Chinese moto community in the Western world!

I've never heard any comments on the Chinese made V-Twins. How do you like yours?

CC
05-07-2008, 03:32 PM
petedeuxwheels

Hey Carl,
Thanks, the videos are actually done very quickly, I need to get a better video editor.

I've ridden a Regal Raptor for two years and must say was very impressed by the build quality, probably the best of the bunch I've seen over here. But I thought it was time for a change so I sold the RR to a club member and bought a little-used Ledow Borelli V2.

The build on the Ledow is nowhere near the quality of the RR but for sheer fun I'm really enjoying it more - because of the V motor: nicer sound, nicer feel and little more power. There is a big Chinese dealer in the town where I live and he has had a lot of success with his Lifan V2's which is almost identical to my Ledow. Apparently the Ledow Borelli Milano's were destined for Italy but the dealer went bust and the bikes (144 of them) ended up in Denmark and were all sold.

So, after only about four weeks I can say that I'm really enjoying my V2 :wink:

http://www.schooltimes.com/peteprivate/ledow1.JPG

http://www.schooltimes.com/peteprivate/ledow2.JPG

Pete
05-07-2008, 06:58 PM
pumpkin

very nice looking bike
05-07-2008, 08:18 PM
petedeuxwheels

Quote:

Originally Posted by pumpkin

very nice looking bike

Thanks pumpkin!

Cheers

Pete
05-08-2008, 01:14 AM
CrazyCarl

How's the performance on the engine? What kind of fuel economy do you get out of it? 30km/liter? Since I was destined for Italy (I wonder how Chinese bikes do in Italy!!!) do you have parts for the there?

CC
05-08-2008, 04:14 PM
petedeuxwheels

Hey Carl,
Engine better than the standard 250's. Everyone in the club who's tried it suddenly wants to sell their bikes and get a V twin :biggrin:

It's not totally run-in yet but it is about 28-30km/l with mixed riding.

Other club members with this bike report 35-37km/l. Of course, it depends how you ride too.

Parts are probably ok as the big Lifan dealers have an almost identical bike for sale here in Denmark (and in Europe), it's just called Lifan V2, has a few different colour combos, and a smaller tail light.

http://www.mc4you.dk/mc_ny/vintage_hvid_17.jpg

I know some of the kinojser club guys are using bits from Yamaha Virago 250s, some of which fit quite handily, since it's more or less a Virago copy as far as I can see.

Pete
05-09-2008, 03:36 AM
CrazyCarl

Yeah it's Virago-like nature can not be denied. For streets, V-Twins are nice as they smooth out the ride and add a little more performance. I always thought it would be nice if they added a tachometer on those bikes. I know the simple cruiser thing is to have only a speedometer but I would rather have a tachometer than a speedometer on a bike.

Have riders in kinojser made any interesting changes to their bikes? More power? Better sound? Cooler/unique look?

CC
05-09-2008, 03:45 AM
Brice

How these twin 250 compare to a thumper 250 in term of power, torque?
05-09-2008, 07:22 AM
petedeuxwheels

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyCarl

Have riders in kinojser made any interesting changes to their bikes? More power? Better sound? Cooler/unique look?

Brice
By a thumper do you mean a single cyl. thing like the Suzuki Savage?
It's difficult to answer as I haven't owned or ridden that many bikes.

All of the above Carl. I'm not very technical but some of them have really changed the bikes. And yes, some are so noisy that they are sent to back when we're out ...

You'll see a couple of custom bikes in this short video (both Lifan's I believe):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fm9YA_vyrU

otherwise ...

Custom Regal Raptor's

http://i27.tinypic.com/28sogg0.jpg

http://www.kinojserklubben.dk/Medlem...n/IMG_0747.JPG

and with a belt drive!

http://i32.tinypic.com/2nhepac.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/7x98eqf.jpg

Pete
05-09-2008, 07:40 AM
Brice

You're right Peter, thumper = mono

Nice customs, they look bigger than the cc of their engine might let think.
05-09-2008, 08:06 AM
Brice

Seen the youtube video. That's cool to see so many "bad" guys in black leather riding some Chinese bikes.:thumbup:

Bring them to the forum I'm sure they have lot of ride reports or technical knowledge to share.
05-20-2008, 08:00 AM
CrazyCarl

Dude...the Denmark CMoto club is boss! I really think it's the strongest C-Moto only community in the world. I hope it grows large and strong like the Nordic Winters! Hammer of the Gods...RAH! :rockon:

CC
05-21-2008, 01:17 AM
culcune

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyCarl

For streets, V-Twins are nice as they smooth out the ride and add a little more performance.

I had always envisioned someone making a small-displacement v-twin adventure tourer out of a Lifan or Zongshen (or someone's) V-twin engine and a GY bike. Obviously for someone with alot of time and spare cash, but it's still a thought...
05-21-2008, 01:40 AM
Brice

Quote:

Originally Posted by culcune

I had always envisioned someone making a small-displacement v-twin adventure tourer out of a Lifan or Zongshen (or someone's) V-twin engine and a GY bike. Obviously for someone with alot of time and spare cash, but it's still a thought...

Imagination is what lacks the most to Chinese bike manufacturers. Their existing low end interior and export markets are so huge that they have no incentive to be creative. IMHO they have everything to build some original quality wise light/medium displacement bikes.

A 250cc V-twin with good torque in low revs will be sweet and unique in a dual sport/adv bike.
05-21-2008, 04:03 AM
CrazyCarl

Since they use mostly Japanese designes to help cut on costs I thinka good 250cc vtwin enduro engine might be hard to make. They seem to have some cruiser type VTwins but I don't think those will be compact enough for dirt use.

What would be a really sweet adventure tourer/killer commuter is if they made/used a good parallel twin. I know it doesn't have the same feeling as a V but I think parallel twins are cool and would be easier to fit into existing frames.

CC
05-21-2008, 04:57 AM
Brice

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyCarl

Since they use mostly Japanese designes to help cut on costs I thinka good 250cc vtwin enduro engine might be hard to make. They seem to have some cruiser type VTwins but I don't think those will be compact enough for dirt use.

What would be a really sweet adventure tourer/killer commuter is if they made/used a good parallel twin. I know it doesn't have the same feeling as a V but I think parallel twins are cool and would be easier to fit into existing frames.

CC

A treillis frame like KTM or Ducati allows a V-Twin plus it brings rigidity.
05-21-2008, 05:49 AM
CrazyCarl

True, but wouldn't that make the frame manufacturing process more complicated? We are starting to see some perimeter frames coming out though.

CC
05-21-2008, 07:24 AM
Jim

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyCarl

True, but wouldn't that make the frame manufacturing process more complicated? We are starting to see some perimeter frames coming out though.

CC

This means a frame that surrounds the motor? If so, my new Lifan is like this and I think they are making more and more of their bikes this way after problems with the other ones... The Lifan 200 - B has a frame like this, and I think I heard the NEW version of the Lifan 200 III's are like this as well.
05-21-2008, 04:39 PM
CrazyCarl

My fault, I meant to say "twin-spar aluminum" frames! :biggrin:

CC
05-22-2008, 01:00 AM
PresterJohn

Quote:

Originally Posted by culcune

I had always envisioned someone making a small-displacement v-twin adventure tourer...

Yamaha SRV250 sport-standard model which shares the Virago 250 engine.

Honda Varadero 125 adventure tourer with a 90deg V-twin.

Scoot safe,
tcs
05-22-2008, 01:02 AM
culcune

See, if someone else makes it, the Chinese can copy it! :biggrin:
05-22-2008, 03:41 AM
Brice

Quote:

Originally Posted by PresterJohn

Yamaha SRV250 sport-standard model which shares the Virago 250 engine.

Honda Varadero 125 adventure tourer with a 90deg V-twin.

Scoot safe,
tcs

The review of the Varadero 125 is quite positive: http://www.bikercafe.co.uk/reviews/b...adero-125.html

A Dual Sport 250 V-twin made by a Chinese company will make a fine and affordable bike. Carl, you should speak to your connection...
05-22-2008, 07:09 AM
CrazyCarl

I'm on it already. Problem is they plan their bike lines 2-3 years in advance. Don't seem to be very flexible but there's all kinds of reasons why that I don't understand. Being able to set aside some resources to crank out one-off Frankensteined prototypes would be good though!

Also, if Honda put the AX1 engine in a bike like the Verarado 125, it would sell well. Don't know why they dropped that engine.

CC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brice

The review of the Varadero 125 is quite positive: http://www.bikercafe.co.uk/reviews/b...adero-125.html

A Dual Sport 250 V-twin made by a Chinese company will make a fine and affordable bike. Carl, you should speak to your connection...
05-24-2008, 02:25 AM
culcune

Not to be rude to anyone, especially to our all-mighty king and leader, carl, but we have gotten way off topic (I think I started it :blink:) and I look forward to seeing more videos of the club, Peter, now that the weather is getting warmer.
05-24-2008, 03:59 AM
CrazyCarl

I agree, this thread should be 2 or three separate threads! Wonder what happened to our Nordic brothers and sisters?

CC
12-29-2010, 02:44 PM
petedeuxwheels

Re: Denmark C-Moto Club - Kinojserklubben.com

We're still here :lol8:

I run a little Asia forum for my part of Denmark (very local).

http://asiamcnordsjaelland.forumotion.net/

One of our final tours of 2010. Denmark to Sweden:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdpFH_mZj2I

Cheers

Pete

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