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  1. #1 Chinese Hardley - what is, who makes, where get? 
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    Anyone know who makes this more Harley than a Harley new Chinese machine and what it's called...?

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    Im told the engine is a 250 version Yama Virago clone, but know't else. Not bad eh! Not bad at all!
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  2. #2 Re: Chinese Hardley - what is, who makes, where get? 
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    The photo is a little too small, and the bike needs to be side-on to give away clues to its origins. But best guessing

    From this angle it looks like a modified Regal Raptor DG-350E-6, this is unlikely due to the background being China, and also a if it has a Yamaha Virago V-twin engine.

    In fact it is probably genetically closest the Qinagjiang (Qjiang, Keeway Benelli) QJ25O-J:

    but and updated version of it. It could also be made by a real Yamaha joint venture, or customers of the Qiangjiang Yamaha copy engine.

    There are clearly some differences to the Qiangjiang, the red bike appears to be a hard-tail, and have a different seating position, and the brake disk is on the other side.
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  3. #3 Re: Chinese Hardley - what is, who makes, where get? 
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    Looks a lot like a Honda steed 400, a non north American honda model. Common in China.

    As for the Virago 250 clones, a few companies have been making them, has dismal reliability records.
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    Thank you kindly ZMC888 and iamcanlim for your posts.

    The bike appears to be modeled on a Harley 'Iron Horse Slammer Fat Back End'. A specialist custom jobbie, shown here in the showroom of Stratstone HD in Birmingham UK:

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    I'm told that if you have to ask how much these things costs, you can't afford one!
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    Truns out it is a Zongshen 250 V-twin 18hp. From a post by 'Oengus' : http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/sh...ngshen+cyclone
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  6. #6 Re: Chinese Hardley - what is, who makes, where get? 
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    http://www.globalstrong.cn/productshow.asp?id=246
    http://www.rhinomotorcycles.com/prestock_flm003.php

    I do not know who actually makes it, but they all seem to have the same Zong engine and mikuni carb.

    That is more than likely a yamaha engine, made by zongshen


    The V-250 shows up on a few bikes,
    http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2008models/2008models-Yamaha-V-Star250.htm
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  7. #7 Re: Chinese Hardley - what is, who makes, where get? 
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    I am not sure why the rhinomotorcycle site lights up with virus threats, but it does. It may just want to run some XML software?

    But the other site...Global Strong Trading has this 250cc bike that I believe is made by Shineray. I realy like this bike and notice the engine is that the same engine going in the QingQi 250cc Liger?

    I really want this bike...

    The engine looks the same, but this has a oil cooler? Thats not something that requires a totally different engine does it? Its not the same as water cooled.

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  8. #8 Re: Chinese Hardley - what is, who makes, where get? 
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    They all work together, they all share parts even complete bikes and designs.
    I wonder how many 250cc engines there are available? Then what existing framing to support those? Then all the components who make the best ones?
    They need universal relational databases, QC and tracking codes.
    The Japanese have been tapping in for some time, I will assume all of the smaller displacement engines are being machined in Chinese factories.
    I like the 200cc and 250cc for the USA market, the larger displacement is something that is very competitive. Considering that it all is copied technology or shared it's not going to become new and different. I would say the smaller displacement in the USA is the larger in the Chinese market, why aspire to change that?
    I really like this 250cc GY from Wonjan:
    Thats a Suzuki 250...can I have one?
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    I rode one of those WonJan's a few years ago. The power to weight ration on the thing was fantastic but only because the frame and components were flimsy and poorly constructed. Also, some critical parts, like the steering head bearings looked to be way too small for the bikes power and weight. A good looking concept needing a better frame. Maybe it's better now but not many of these were exported and I haven't heard to many good reports about them.

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  10. #10 Re: Chinese Hardley - what is, who makes, where get? 
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    I do not know; I do like the design of it, it weighs 317 lbs. The 18” 15” tires could account for some of that?
    I personally think that some bikes are not really for the dirt at all, this one I would say is not. It’s just for the street and for looks, it should not be ridden off road. The tires being 18” and 15” are not well suited for off road, not that ideal for the road either.
    It has a real nice profile… I cannot see that bike off road.

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