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  1. #11 Re: Harley-Davidson in China 
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerdoc View Post
    ...so ridiculously overpriced. At the time the 883cc was around 110k and 1200cc was about 130k much less than the BMW options at the time.
    For readers outside the PRC who may not know renminbi exchange rates, let me put bikerdoc's important pricing comment in perspective. RMB 110k is about US$16,100 at current rates, and 130k just over $19,000. Not sure if those "low" prices are still available from China's H-D dealers, but here's about what some other bikes are costing:

    --BMW G650GS with single engine made by China's Loncin RMB 150k or $21,950
    --BMW R650GS twin enduro is probably RMB 175k $25,600
    --BMW R800GS twin enduro RMB 190k $27,800
    --Ducati Multistrada 1200, which hit Shanghai last week RMB 350k $51,200

    So you can maybe understand why some of us feel the lure of a well-designed, modern Chinese bike like the JH600. A 100% luxury import tax can do that to you.

    I took a bunch of pictures at the Ducati shop in Shanghai yesterday, which I can post separately. They are not flying out the door. Maybe 2 a month. BMW has two dealers in Shanghai, and sells probably fewer than 10 a month, almost all to rich Chinese guys.





    As noted elsewhere, a sales guy from H-D Shanghai ***told me*** that they ARE selling a lot of tonnage -- up to 20 bikes a month, but acknowledged these too are going entirely to nouveau riche Chinese who already have a BMW R1200RT or similar (and probably also a Porsche) and want another trophy for their big garages. You almost never see these bikes on the road. I'm highly skeptical about the reported sales volumes, but stranger things have happened. Shanghai also has dealers for Bentley, Rolls-Royce, Aston-Martin, Maserati, Ferrari and Lamborghini, not to mention Porsche, Mercedes and other common luxury marques.

    Shanghai's H-D dealer is out in the 'burbs but I'll try to do some reconnaissance this week, and snap some pix. Here's one sighting I made downtown a few weeks ago. This is a rain-soaked H-D Fatboy just loaded in the back of a company van.

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    And to swerve further off track, prompted by my mention of Loncin Motors in the reference to the G650GS above, here's a link to an Indian journalist's blog post about a visit to the Loncin plant in Chongqing -- complete with pix of the BMW engines being produced there.

    http://bikeadvice.in/visit-loncin-mo...ongqing-china/
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    These are the prices for BMW in PRC from Shanghai dealership... The prices to the left are for models without ABS where applicable and N/A means ABS isn't available for that particular model. Prices to the right side mean that particular model including ABS etc. I've also added in the US$ conversion at today's rates.

    型号

    Without ABS 标准车型零售价
    (RMB) or Includes ABS车型零售价(RMB)
    G series 系列 
    G 650 GS* N/A or 139,000 <>US$20,358

    F series 系列 
    F 650 GS 169,000 <>US$24,752 or 185,000 <>US$27,095
    F 800 GS* 199,000 <>US$29,145 or 215,000 <>US$31,489
    F 800 R* 173,000 <>US$25,337 or 189,000 <>US$27,680
    F 800 ST* 199,000 <>US$29,145 or 215,000 <>US$31,489

    R 系列 
    R 1200 R 219,000 <>US$32,069 or 239,000 <>US$34,998
    R 1200 GS 255,000 <>US$37,346 or 275,000 <>US$40,275
    R 1200 GS Adventure275,000 <>US$40,275 or 295,000 <>US$43,204
    R 1200 RT N/A or 305,000 <>US$44,670

    K series 系列 
    K 1300 R* 275,000 US$40,275 or 299,000 <>US$43,790
    K 1300 S* N/A or 319,000 <>US$46,720
    K 1300 GT* N/A or 349,000 <>US$51,113

    S系列 
    S 1000 RR* 295,000 US$43,204 or 319,000 <>US$46,720

    This is what they currently BMW Shanghai have in stock...
    at the moment.

    R1200RT Black 361919RMB(High-End Configuration)
    R1200GS Red 285000RMB(Special offer)
    F800R Orange 196605RMB(High-End Configuration)
    R1200R Gray 265325RMB(High-End Configuration)

    The price for the Hypermotard 796 from the Shanghai Ducati dealership... is 195000RMB, and Shanghai Ducati dealership bikes are ready to be registered by end of June (Hypermotard 796 is pictured in the post from euphonius above).

    My comment about the HD and my consideration is that at the time, they were one of the few foreign brands that one could purchase and plate legally in PRC that weren't ridiculously priced... I mean RMB110-130K while still out there, is far better than double to triple that for the BMW's which I for one would prefer, having owned BMW motorcycles (and still own back home). Though the BMW Loncin engined G650GS at RMB130K fits into the same pricing bracket as the HD 1200 Sportster. JH600 still seems like a worthy consideration, which I wasn't even aware of until stumbling across it.
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    the mind reels........

    and here's a pix of that R1200RT in black that bikerdoc mentioned is available at BMW Shanghai for a cool RMB 361,919 aka US$52,950...



    Is that a jacuzzi back behind the sofa?

    Bikerdoc, if you'd like to have a crack at the JH600, mine's arrived in Shanghai now (jumping ahead of my narrative...), so if you find yourself in our fair city give me a shout. I hope to have it plated in 2 weeks.
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    And here are a few more pix from the Ducati shop...











    Oh, and here's one for our friend sabertooth_buterfly down in Australia. We start them out early here in Shanghai. This little girl is on what we call a micro-motard.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphonius View Post
    And here are a few more pix from the Ducati shop...

    Oh, and here's one for our friend sabertooth_buterfly down in Australia. We start them out early here in Shanghai. This little girl is on what we call a micro-motard.....
    LOL. But you'll notice that she's riding on the footpath... but as she progresses that will change... she'll ride on both the footpath and the road, but also walk on the road too. ironically the Ducati shop front in the photo has no ramp... how useful for a motorcycle shop! :P

    I'll take you up on the offer to come and try your JH out... I'd like to give the JH600 a try... hell, I'd even kit up and ride up there just to get my leg over... LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphonius View Post
    the mind reels........

    and here's a pix of that R1200RT in black that bikerdoc mentioned is available at BMW Shanghai for a cool RMB 361,919 aka US$52,950...



    Is that a jacuzzi back behind the sofa?

    Bikerdoc, if you'd like to have a crack at the JH600, mine's arrived in Shanghai now (jumping ahead of my narrative...), so if you find yourself in our fair city give me a shout. I hope to have it plated in 2 weeks.
    That's a K1200LT, a price class above the RT, still overpriced though. It has been phased out and I think the last price was 20k EUR.
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    Great to see you getting the girls riding at a young age, and also learning safe riding practices, it would be safer on the footpath for any rider there wouldn’t it? I just noticed the luggage caring capacity on the front, that’s not a motard that’s the enduro model.
    On another note I cant imagine trying to ride something like the big ducati's in china from what I have read of the traffic and roads there would you ever get to open it up?
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    I think a lot of these super rich owners who actually have these crazily expensive bikes love the fact that there is a 100% luxury tax on them. So the fact that 99.999% of the population can't afford one probably suits them just fine, keeps their exclusivity protected. It's all about kudos, looking cool chatting on cell-phones and talking about how good their bike is. Conversations about riding techniques or where to ride are few and far between.

    The more cumbersome and unusable on Chinese roads the bike is...the more the majority of Chinese riders seem to like them...every bike meeting has flocks of people around gold-wings, fat-boys etc, but bikes that would are fairly well adapted to Chinese conditions such as 400-600cc Ducati monsters, Honda CB400's etc have a much lower kudos value. If there is no place to open up even an R6 or CBR600, then why the heck buy an R1 or a 1000cc Fireblade? Surely just a waste of fuel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZMC888 View Post
    If there is no place to open up even an R6 or CBR600, then why the heck buy an R1 or a 1000cc Fireblade? Surely just a waste of fuel?
    Fully concur with your analysis. Frankly, I cannot imagine riding anything but a dual sport most anywhere in China, given the lack of access to expressways and the dodgy and chaotic nature of most secondary and tertiary roads. But ZMC, your signature raises some questions with respect to your comment about the appropriateness of CBRs and other big-displacement street bikes in China. Of those 11 bikes you've listed, how many are actually with you in Zibo? And what do you ride most of the time in China?

    thanks!
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