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  1. #1 Why did they ban Motorcycles 
    Senior C-Moto Guru bigdamo's Avatar
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    Why did they ban motorcycles from many cities in China?

    My guess was because of pollution?To many,dangerous.
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  2. #2 Re: Why did they ban Motorcycles 
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    A little surprised to see this question from a veteran like you bigdamo

    Officially they are banned because of:

    Noise pollution
    Air pollution
    Traffic crashes and fatalities
    Illegal motorcycle taxi operation
    Impact on traffic order
    Impact on the image of the city
    Theft and security

    There is a giant PDF document here that explains the situation in Guangzhou city. It makes a pretty strong case for removing motorcycles from Chinese urban areas.

    As far as I know, this is the current list

    Guangdong Province - Guangzhou, Zhongshan, Shaoguan, Zhuhai, Dongguan, Shantou, Shenzhen
    Liaoning Province - Shenyang, Dandong, Dalian, Tieling, Benxi, Anshan
    Jiangsu Province - Nanjing, Suzhou, Wuxi, Changzhou, Zhenjiang, Nantong, Yangzhou, Yancheng, Huai'an, Xuzhou, Taizhou, Changshu, Zhangjiagang, Jiangyin, Lianyungang, Kunshan
    Fujiang Province - Fuzhou, Quanzhou, Zhangzhou, Longyan, Xiamen
    Zhejiang Province - Hangzhou, Wenzhou, Ningbo, Jiaxing, Shaoxing, Yiwu
    Shandong Province - Yantai, Qingdao, Jinan
    Hebei Province - Shijiazhuang, Tangshan, Zhangjiakou, Qinhuangdao
    Henan Province - Luoyang, Zhengzhou, Xinxiang, Nanyang, Linzhou, Jiaozou, Anyang
    Heilongjiang Province - Harbin
    Guizhou Province - Guiyang, Anshun, Tongren, Duyun, Zunyi
    Anhui Province - Hefei
    Jiangxi Province - Nanchang, Jiujiang
    Hunan Province - Changsha, Xiangtan, Yueyang, Zhangjiajie, Hengyang
    Sichuan Province -Chengdu, Mianyang, Deyang, Yibin
    Yunnan Province - Kunming, Yuxi, Qujing, Mengzi
    Hainan Province - Haikou
    Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region - Nanning
    Hubei Province - Wuhan, Xiangfan, Yichang, Zhongxiang
    Shaanxi Province - Xian
    Shanxi Province - Taiyuan
    Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region - Baotou, Ordos, Dongsheng, Hohhot
    Jilin Province - Changchun
    Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region - Yinchuan
    Gansu Province - Lanzhou
    Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region - Urumqi

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  3. #3 Re: Why did they ban Motorcycles 
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    Umm yes.I posted something on another motorcycle forum and they asked me why they where banned.It then struck me that officially I didn't know why only I was told through Chinese citizens why they where banned sometimes that can be abit sketchy.

    Lanzhou for example on your list there banned.I saw plenty of motorcycles there when I asked "so there not banned" I was told that the local minority the Hui's are sort of allowed and every one else sort of follows there example unofficially.Typical western China.

    Interestingly you will see some motorcycle's in Urumqi on the roads but not many very few.

    I was in Guangzhou along time ago when they had motorcycles then left for a few years and came back when they had no motorcycles.Interesting the difference.Can't say it made much of a difference. Traffic was and still is extremely bad but I guess a few million moved into that hell hole in the interim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdamo View Post
    Traffic was and still is extremely bad but I guess a few million moved into that hell hole in the interim.
    Whether the population grew is a moot point. What grew is the number of cars, even as motorbikes were given the boot. Surely for each motorcycle purged from Guangzhou's streets, recent years have seen the addition of at least a couple if not several cars.

    It's a sick but recurring cycle that will eventually render all of urban China unlivable.

    Postscript: I and some mates tried to take a taxi from Kunming's university district (in the northwest part of town) to the airport (in the southeast) and left ourselves what we thought was plenty of time -- about 2.5 hours. After waiting 20 minutes for a taxi that never came, we hopped a bus into town thinking we'd get one there (perhaps a strategic mistake). Bus got us across town, albeit slowly in molasseslike traffic. And we managed to grab a black car. Which moved us about 300m down the road until, in a panic, we bailed out at the sight of two motorbike cabs in a driveway. It took us no more than 45 seconds to negotiate a fare and hop on (me with a rollercase on one, two buddies on another!). Powered by a couple dozen horses at best between them, these two guys rode like dervishes and got us to the airport with 3 minutes to spare! And Kunming is on ChinaV's list of no-bike cities!

    It was my first time on a bike since my little educational spill in the same city back in August. Gawd, I can't wait to get back on my own bike. Bans be damned!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChinaV View Post
    A little surprised to see this question from a veteran like you bigdamo

    Officially they are banned because of:

    Noise pollution
    Air pollution
    Traffic crashes and fatalities
    Illegal motorcycle taxi operation
    Impact on traffic order
    Impact on the image of the city
    Theft and security
    ChinaV
    Thanks for this and the list of "bad" cities

    In-official reasons are:

    They ban all bikes because they don't want to have the farmers without driving license and without insurance in the urban areas.

    Protect the image of the shining cities. In other words, no image like Lao Jia Hou's avatar


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  6. #6 Re: Why did they ban Motorcycles 
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    Quote Originally Posted by chinabiker View Post
    Thanks for this and the list of "bad" cities

    In-official reasons are:

    They ban all bikes because they don't want to have the farmers without driving license and without insurance in the urban areas.

    Protect the image of the shining cities. In other words, no image like Lao Jia Hou's avatar


    They cannot ask "fees" from a peasant.
    It is true - the anti-bike attitude has been painful.

    At first, I had to use a taxi to carry my goods to market ...

    pigs for taxi.jpgpigs in taxi.jpg

    However, with rising pork prices came rising profits, so my lovely business partner and I have upgraded to our own car to keep the mandarins happy.

    pigs in trunk.jpgpigs in Lada trunk.jpg

    We are still waiting to win the Beijing license plate lottery for this fine Lada. Notice the sophisticated color-coordination of my partner, right down to her exquisite flip-flops?

    Life is good in China.
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  7. #7 Re: Why did they ban Motorcycles 
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  8. #8 Re: Why did they ban Motorcycles 
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    "From 1991 to 2007, the implementation of Guangzhou’s motorcycle ban was not done in a sudden
    or radical way, but was rather progressively carried out, starting with a range of gradually tightening
    restrictions and ending with a complete ban. The policy and key strategic decisions were based on
    investigation and analysis"

    This is exactly what is happening in Shanghai now. First Shanghai makes getting a bike legal difficult and expensive. Then they start confiscating all the illegal ones and banning them from petrol stations. Finally they restrict who can own bikes. I just heard that Taiwanese, Hong Kongers, and people from Macau no longer are able to register their bikes in shanghai under there foreign passports anymore. I am betting other foreigners will be next.

    I believe Shanghai is inching towards a full ban in the next few years...
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  9. #9 Re: Why did they ban Motorcycles 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrangler View Post
    This is exactly what is happening in Shanghai now. First Shanghai makes getting a bike legal difficult and expensive. Then they start confiscating all the illegal ones and banning them from petrol stations. Finally they restrict who can own bikes. I just heard that Taiwanese, Hong Kongers, and people from Macau no longer are able to register their bikes in shanghai under there foreign passports anymore. I am betting other foreigners will be next.

    I believe Shanghai is inching towards a full ban in the next few years...
    Ditto for Beijing - same thing re gradually increasing restrictions, rules, enforcement, etc. It is definitely moving in one direction.

    I've no problem with the illegal bike restrictions, so long as legal bikes are an option.
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  10. #10 Re: Why did they ban Motorcycles 
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    dto for Wuhan!
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