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  1. #41 Re: Why did they ban Motorcycles 
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    A mate might have to transfer to Dalian for 18+ month for a company project, how is the situation in terms of Dalian inner city / suburb motorcycling now, any restrictions and are they strictly enforced?
    Any feedback welcome, thanks!
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    Now riding a bike becomes more deadly, and not even the best protection gear will help you :)

    6/March Shanghai Daily:
    Motorcycle street racers caught on tape could face death penalty


    TWO motorcycle drag racers were detained and charged with dangerous driving under new guidelines that for the first time can lead to the death penalty, city police said yesterday.

    Previously, racers face a penalty of less than 15 days if they caused no consequences.

    The street bike racing happened the night of February 3. The two men, identified only as Jin and Zhang, met about 8pm in a garage on Leyuan Road, Pudong New Area, and drove out a Yamaha and a Honda, both powerful motorcycles with 1,000 cubic-centimeter engines, police said.

    The two rode on Yanggao Road and made a U-turn near Jufeng Road, police found in the surveillance cameras. The two were later speeding on the road and kept breaking red lights all the way from Pudong to Puxi via the Nanpu Bridge.

    Patrolling officers tried to stop the two at Lujiabang Road and Henan Road S., but they did not slow down and escaped on Henan Road S., returning back to Pudong via the Fuxing Road E. Tunnel, police said.

    Jin and Zhang were later identified by police from surveillance camera footage and were detained, with their motorcycles confiscated. Jin's Yamaha was unlicensed while Zhang was using another person's license plates on his Honda, police found.

    Jin and Zhang confessed their crime and the case was handed over to the prosecutors last Wednesday.

    City police warned locals not to try racing in the streets, saying they will intensify crackdowns on dangerous driving.

    "Street racing seriously disturbs the traffic," police said in the statement.

    The police also warned locals not to retrofit their motorcycles, as such vehicles may not easily brake and can harm not only others on the road but the riders themselves.

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    Street racing is just asking for trouble. What concerns me is how these racers will affect the average Mr Moto who rides his scooter to and from work. A crackdown is looking ever more likely to kick off this year's riding season, and these street racers are providing the extra motivation for the police to get cracking.

    But if they had to watch surveillance tapes for every Tom, Dick and Harry riding motorcycles in Shanghai the police would be at the tapes for hours, huffing and puffing on their cigarettes, cracking out the baiju, and wasting taxpayer dollars.
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    "Street racing seriously disturbs the traffic," police said in the statement.
    How's that for f*cking brilliant law enforcement logic. No, not "street racing seriously endangers the public"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphonius View Post
    How's that for f*cking brilliant law enforcement logic. No, not "street racing seriously endangers the public"... Sigh.
    Bit stressed on the law recently ? Need a break?
    Was out of the country for 2 weeks, it really helps ....
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    Don't the children of the super rich race hyper-cars at night in Beijing and Shanghai? Oh, but that's cars, and the kids are super-rich and well connected, so that's OK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 998S View Post
    [B][FONT=arial][SIZE=2]TWO motorcycle drag racers were detained and charged with dangerous driving under new guidelines that for the first time can lead to the death penalty, city police said yesterday.

    Previously, racers face a penalty of less than 15 days if they caused no consequences.
    I love how it was once 15 days in the can and next the death penalty.
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    Here's a breath of fresh air!

    What's missing from this story is disclosure that Shanghai has used a lottery to allocate a limited supply of new car plates for years, with a dramatic positive impact on the quality of life, quality of air and quality of driving experience. And Shanghai has done so without resorting to Guangzhou's flat ban on motorcycles. Cars and bikes and other vehicles share the road here, though motorcycles are subject to a more draconian rationing system since no new bike plates are being issued, meaning we engage in a malthusian struggle for the limited supply of existing plates, which of course drives up plate prices.

    The saddest line in the story is that Beijing is fighting this kind of common-sense initiative, ostensibly to protect the Chinese car industry. You'd think that Beijing, with some of the world's worst pollution, worst gridlock and an accelerating trend toward the worst quality of life, would embrace the notion of attaching an appropriate social price to the privilege of driving in China's blindingly congested cities.

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    September 4, 2012
    A Chinese City Moves to Limit New Cars
    By KEITH BRADSHER
    GUANGZHOU, China — It is as startling as if Detroit or Los Angeles restricted car ownership.


    The municipal government of Guangzhou, a sprawling metropolis that is one of China’s biggest auto manufacturing centers, introduced license plate auctions and lotteries last week that will roughly halve the number of new cars on the streets.


    The crackdown by China’s third-largest city is the most restrictive in a series of moves by big Chinese cities that are putting quality-of-life issues ahead of short-term economic growth, something the central government has struggled to do on a national scale.


    The measures have the potential to help clean up China’s notoriously dirty air and water, reduce long-term health care costs and improve the long-term quality of Chinese growth. But they are also imposing short-term costs, economists say, at a time when policy makers in Beijing and around the world are already concerned about a sharp economic slowdown in China.


    “Of course from the government’s point of view, we give up some growth, but to achieve better health for all citizens, it is definitely worth it,” said Chen Haotian, the vice director of Guangzhou’s top planning agency.


    Nanjing and Hangzhou in east-central China are moving to require cleaner gas and diesel. Cities near the coast, from Dongguan and Shenzhen in southeastern China to Wuxi and Suzhou in the middle and Beijing in the north, are pushing out polluting factories. And Xi’an and Urumqi in northwestern China are banning and scrapping cars built before 2005, when automotive emissions rules were less stringent.


    “There’s a recognition finally that growth at all costs is not sustainable,” said Ben Simpfendorfer, the managing director of Silk Road Associates, a Hong Kong consulting firm.


    Facing public pressure to address traffic jams and pollution, municipal governments from across China have been sending delegations to Guangzhou. But the national government in Beijing is pushing back against further car restrictions because of worries about the huge auto industry, said An Feng, a senior adviser in Beijing to transportation policy makers.


    “This has really become a battle,” Mr. An said.


    Beijing’s municipal government started limiting new license plates at the start of last year when the economy was in danger of overheating, but Guangzhou is the first city to act during the current slowdown. Faced with public dissatisfaction over traffic, Guangzhou has also built an extensive subway system in the last few years, along with large parks and a renowned opera house.


    The local government initiatives are not the main cause of the Chinese economy’s difficulties. The government clamped down on credit a year ago in a successful bid to rein in inflation, but starved many small and medium-size businesses of credit in the process.


    Other broad economic problems have been building for years. These include industrial overcapacity and the monopolistic grip of many state-owned enterprises, as well as the inefficient allocation of loans.


    But for now, the growing regulatory burden on business is reinforcing a trend toward slower growth, economists say.


    “That’s why I think the slowdown is likely to be a trend, instead of just a short-term cycle,” said Xiao Geng, the research director at the Fung Global Institute in Hong Kong.


    Polluting factories being pushed out of increasingly affluent cities in southeastern China are being turned away by poorer cities in western and northern China unless they install costly, extensive equipment to control emissions, said Stanley Lau, the deputy chairman of the Hong Kong Federation of Industries, a trade group representing manufacturers that employ nearly 10 million workers in mainland China.


    “There is no hint that these costs will be lowered because of the market slowdown,” he said.


    Some executives in China complain about rising regulatory costs, particularly as new rules at the local level coincide with rising wages. Critics in the business community say that an economic slowdown may not be the best time for China to turn away from the largely unrestrained dash for prosperity of the last three decades.


    But while the local measures may limit short-term growth, they are part of a broader transition. China is no longer just a developing economy that has pursued a particularly raw form of capitalism, while remaining Communist in name. It is becoming a modern, industrialized economy whose leaders increasingly listen to public opinion and seek to balance the environment, social welfare and many other issues against economic growth.


    The question is how much short-term pain will China endure, in the form of slower growth and higher costs, to achieve a more balanced and sustainable economy.


    Ma Jun, the director of the Institute of Public and Environmental Affairs, an environmental group in Beijing, said that local officials had become more interested in the environment in the last year after large street demonstrations against polluting factories in cities like Dalian, Shifang and Qidong. In each case, local officials agreed to halt construction of the projects or close them after becoming the targets of local and national ridicule.


    Bernadette Brennan, a senior lawyer in the Beijing office of the Natural Resources Defense Council, said that after three decades of experience in China, she had seen change in the last year. Instead of resisting pressure to address pollution, she said, municipal officials have begun contacting her office to seek advice on how to improve.


    Measuring the environmental benefits of the changed policies is difficult.


    A series of typhoons makes it hard to compare air quality data in China this summer with previous years, said Alexis Lau, the director of the atmospheric research center at the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology. In Guangzhou, emissions of a wide range of pollutants peaked in 2007 and 2008 and receded in 2009 and 2010 because of weaker economic growth. Emissions started to rise in 2011 as growth returned, but did not match 2008 levels.


    Pollution per dollar of economic output has clearly declined, Mr. Lau said. Emissions of sulfur dioxide, a top priority in China in recent years because of its role in acid rain, have declined across China but particularly in Guangzhou, a city of 15 million people, including migrants.


    The financial dependence of local governments on the sale of land leases to new developments may limit the extent to which some cities confront businesses. But city governments also own many of the businesses within their borders, making these businesses think twice about challenging policies like license plate restrictions.


    “The car companies are owned by the government,”said Mr. Chen, who drives a Toyota Camry built in Guangzhou. “The car companies must obey the government.”


    He added, “What do we need gross domestic product for if we don’t have health?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphonius View Post
    What's missing from this story is disclosure....
    What's missing from this story....facts. What a bunch of absolute drivel. Quality of life has nothing to do with any of the decisions being made, and the relocation of low cost manufacturing is what's driving factories out of cities. The clean fuel law has been shelved for another year.... blah blah blah yada yada yada, it's not even worth refuting most of the points he made.

    You're right euphonius, a lot is missing.

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    A Chinese City Moves to Limit New Cars
    By KEITH BRADSHER

    This journalistic article is just scratching the surface of the cause and effect of government vehicle planning and fails to report beyond the veneer. There are a complexity of reasons as to why and what is happening. While on the surface it may appear that the governments are responding to the masses (though it would be the vocal minority if at all that the government would be appeasing). What it does demonstrate is a clear lack of transparency, and intergovernmental co-ordination at various levels since the CCCP push the car industry as a economical stimulus model to lead the country forward, and provide a raft of subsidies and taxation breaks to encourage local consumption (purchase of cars etc) to help drive the industry and in turn global export and domination.
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