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#21 Re: general thoughts about future of chinabikes
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03-23-2011, 08:05 AMEach of these links has a "listen" button where you can hear the words pronounced in standard Mandarin.
Qingqi = cheeng chee. the Q is called a sibilant and to do it right the tip of your tongue is behind your bottom front teeth so it's highly aspirated. It's aways followed by a high vowel.
Zongshen = dzung shunn. the Z is is not unlike the Z sound in english but it has a hard start -- an affricate as opposed to a fricative.
Xingyue = Hseeng yooeh. Like the Q, the X is sibilant, tip of tongue behind lower front teeth.
Jialing = jyah ling. Truth be told, J is also a sibilant.
Pinyin is not hard to learn, but there are several letter and combinations that are conventions for sounds that do not exist in English/western languages. So you have to learn them, rather than just speak them as if they were English.
The beauty of Q and X are that they have no innate sound in English, so they can be conveniently assigned to sounds in Chinese that don't exist in English/Western language. The danger is that folks see Q and X and relate them to western/English words in which they appear, like queen or xylophone. Unfortunately, those both fail!
Class dismissed.jkp
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#22 Re: general thoughts about future of chinabikes03-23-2011, 10:12 AM
Bad juju is bad.
I did not know Dongfang has some meaning. I just wrote it on the fly. Surprised though it can mean oriental motorcycles so I think I must have read it from somewhere with translation but just can't remember it at all.
Does the word "oriental" have some negative loads in China?
Heiwa would be the best in Finland. It is not bad word for trademark in Finland. It doesn't have those Z characters.
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#23 Re: general thoughts about future of chinabikes
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#26 Re: general thoughts about future of chinabikes03-24-2011, 02:48 PM
Its a surname or a brand name, HONDA... pronouced Bentian
Smith is pronouced how Shimsi, broken out its history close sri lanka or 史密斯
The root symbols separately are not related to the formed word. Each word has a symbol or set of symbols for new words....lol learning Chinese never ends even for the Chinese.
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#27 Re: general thoughts about future of chinabikes03-24-2011, 03:07 PM
The point is that a Big Mac in china is a Big Mac not a Jù wú bà…the actual symbols for a Big Mac stand for Huge No Hegemony ….silly and made up? makes me wonder...who the heck makes up the words they use?
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#28 Re: general thoughts about future of chinabikes03-24-2011, 03:12 PM
The attempts to bridge with Latin does not work the creation of new words often result in nonsense. The Chinese will take over….that’s humorous and when will that occur? When they all speak English?
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#29 Re: general thoughts about future of chinabikes03-24-2011, 11:08 PM
Actually the phonetic translation are not reliable and done overtime primarily is in the 1950’s…think about it…but do not strain yourselves. The symbols that represent single words are at about 7,000 then venture into combo symbols, that also represent single words and an average Chinese comprehends about 20,000 to be literate?
The translation is not always easy and in some cases simply does not exist.
Its an ancient language and to be honest not very practical, you can be sure that the recent progress in Chinese society is directly correlated with English comprehension.
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#30 Re: general thoughts about future of chinabikes03-28-2011, 03:49 PM
Chinese "alphabet" and stuff appears to be more like art. It makes no sense if you need to study "alphabets" four years before you can begin to study grammar.
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