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  1. #11 Re: Best scenic road, the closest possible from Shanghai ? 
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    If we're eyeing the expressways then, it might be possible to just try the tactic mentioned by euphonius on the (formerly) A9 highway that parallels the 318. Not sure what it's called now, maybe G60.

    The idea then would be to get on the elevated road first which doesn't have a toll booth, and ride right through the first main toll gate on the right, just just after the elevated road portion ends and the official expressway begins --- somewhere around the Xu Jing area. Early in the morning would be the best time. Any takers on this mission?

    Similarly, if anyone could post locations where it's easier to enter the expressway network in Shanghai than others, this might be worth a go.
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    Dewsnap and others, perhaps even you, have mentioned some nice suburban/exurban riding on the back side of Minhang. This was news to me, but nice to hear.

    There's also a northward passage -- by ferry to Changxing or Chongming island. In fact, there's a great challenge awaiting whoever wants to run the Changxing-Chongming bridge, but once again this raises the expressway question. ryanjpyle and I managed only the first half of the challenge, blundering/cowboying our way from Pudong to Changxing on the G40, but then complying when a tunnel repair truck gave chase and demanded we exit at Changxing.

    I'm thinking it's about time to try for Chongming again, and then maybe even venture further to Jiangsu if the Chongming-Jiangsu bridge is complete...

    As for the Moganshan area, Pal seems to be saying that it's reachable in 2.5 hours via surface roads -- if you've got some horses between your legs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred View Post
    I'll still go to Moganshan this WE, but with my bike (150cc), 2-up, it'll be slow and painful...
    I would not recommend attempting the expressways on a 150cc bike, pillion or not.

    With all the hardware flying out of the Harley and BMW stores, it makes sense that those of us with legal bigger bikes should be at least thinking about how to lobby for better access. I started this discussion with Steve Wasser, erstwhile managing director of H-D Asia, but I recently heard that he'd moved back to headquarters. Not sure what's going on in the Harley universe, but they do have some muscle for organized lobbying. Would be good to persuade them that the lower limit of expressway-friendly displacement should be lower than 883cc!

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    An official version of the traffic law at: http://www.mps.gov.cn/n16/n1282/n349...78/493316.html
    Chapter 5 regulates driving on the expressway. It is clearly stated that motorcycle has a speed limit of 80 kmph and is not allowed to have pillion. Obviously this implies that motorcycles have as much right to be on the expressway as any passenger cars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphonius View Post
    .. Is it possible for a province to enact its own local traffic law? I don't think the central government would allow this.
    C'mon, you should now that. TIC, every village different rules

    Honestly, I think they can do this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by milton View Post
    Obviously this implies that motorcycles have as much right to be on the expressway as any passenger cars.
    Milton to the rescue!

    OK, I've cut and pasted the relevant section below. We should print this out and carry it with our license and registration! Or maybe carry the whole code, with the correct page dog-eared -- if someone can source officially printed copies.

    Thanks Milton!



    第五节 高速公路的特别规定

    第七十八条 高速公路应当标明车道的行驶速度,最高车速不得超过每小时120公里,最低车速不得低于每小时 60公里。
    高速公路上行驶的小型载客汽车最高车速不得超过每小时120公里,其他机动车不得超过每小时1 00公里,摩托车不得超过每小时80公里
    同方向有2条车道的,左侧车道的最低车速为每小时100公里;同方向有3条以上车道的,最左侧车道的最低车 速为每小时110公里,中间车道的最低车速为每小时90公里。道路限速标志标明的车速与上述车道行驶车速的 规定不一致的,按照道路限速标志标明的车速行驶。
    第七十九条 机动车从匝道驶入高速公路,应当开启左转向灯,在不妨碍已在高速公路内的机动车正常行驶的情况 下驶入车道。
    机动车驶离高速公路时,应当开启右转向灯,驶入减速车道,降低车速后驶离。
    第八十条 机动车在高速公路上行驶,车速超过每小时100公里时,应当与同车道前车保持100米以上的距离,车速低于 每小时100公里时,与同车道前车距离可以适当缩短,但最小距离不得少于50米。
    第八十一条 机动车在高速公路上行驶,遇有雾、雨、雪、沙尘、冰雹等低能见度气象条件时,应当遵守下列规定 :
    (一)能见度小于200米时,开启雾灯、近光灯、示廓灯和前后位灯,车速不得超过每小时60公里,与同车道 前车保持100米以上的距离;
    (二)能见度小于100米时,开启雾灯、近光灯、示廓灯、前后位灯和危险报警闪光灯,车速不得超过每小时4 0公里,与同车道前车保持50米以上的距离;
    (三)能见度小于50米时,开启雾灯、近光灯、示廓灯、前后位灯和危险报警闪光灯,车速不得超过每小时20 公里,并从最近的出口尽快驶离高速公路。
    遇有前款规定情形时,高速公路管理部门应当通过显示屏等方式发布速度限制、保持车距等提示信息 。
    第八十二条 机动车在高速公路上行驶,不得有下列行为:
    (一)倒车、逆行、穿越中央分隔带掉头或者在车道内停车;
    (二)在匝道、加速车道或者减速车道上超车;
    (三)骑、轧车行道分界线或者在路肩上行驶;
    (四)非紧急情况时在应急车道行驶或者停车;
    (五)试车或者学习驾驶机动车。
    第八十三条 在高速公路上行驶的载货汽车车厢不得载人。两轮摩托车在高速公路行驶时不得载人。
    第八十四条 机动车通过施工作业路段时,应当注意警示标志,减速行驶。
    第八十五条 城市快速路的道路交通安全管理,参照本节的规定执行。
    高速公路、城市快速路的道路交通安全管理工作,省、自治区、直辖市人民政府公安机关交通管理部门可以指定设 区的市人民政府公安机关交通管理部门或者相当于同级的公安机关交通管理部门承担。
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    Quote Originally Posted by chinabiker View Post
    C'mon, you should now that. TIC, every village different rules

    Honestly, I think they can do this.
    Andy, I agree that they can do this -- but I'll still be carrying this national code, which one would expect to be a bit more potent than a local juryrigged rule.

    Ninety percent of success is showing up. Ninety percent of the law is having a copy in your pocket... (And we can still read it in jail.)
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  8. #18 Re: Best scenic road, the closest possible from Shanghai ? 
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    For those of you who can't read Chinese, a couple other rules you must follow, on or off expressway:
    1. Passenger on motorcycle must face front (regardless how exciting it is to sit facing the back)
    2. Motorcyclists must NOT leave their hands off the steering wheel. ("Look, Mom, no hands" is illegal here.)

    Not much other things concern us motorcyclists specifically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphonius View Post
    Andy, I agree that they can do this -- but I'll still be carrying this national code, which one would expect to be a bit more potent than a local juryrigged rule.

    Ninety percent of success is showing up. Ninety percent of the law is having a copy in your pocket... (And we can still read it in jail.)
    We have done this in Yunnan in 2005. They didn't let us on the expressway, obviously because we had our wifes on the back. We tried another entrance without pillion - still were not allowed. On another day, one of the ladies dug out this section of the law, we printed it, showed it and still, they didn't let us on. Therefore, we sneaked in and out of the expressway twice and were not caught

    However, C-traffic is a big mess, nobody seems interested in clearing stupid rules and then enforce the cleaned up ones - maybe because they have 1.3 billion other problems
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  10. #20 Re: Best scenic road, the closest possible from Shanghai ? 
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    OK, I realize this is getting further off topic, so maybe one or our admins can break these legal questions out into a separate thread called Chinese Traffic Law for Motorcycles. Or I can start a thread, and drag all these pieces in.

    Anyway, here are some other questions that relate to expressways that I found in the official motorcycle question bank, in Chinese and English. Once again, if it's not legal to ride on the expressways, why all the rules that regulate what motorcycles can and cannot do on an expressway?

    4.1.1.3 在同向4车道的高速公路上行车,摩托车应在 车道上行驶。
    A.最左侧
    B.第二条
    C.第三条
    D.最右侧
    答案:D

    4.1.1.3 When running on an expressway that has four lanes in the same direction, the motorcycles should run on ______.
    A. The far left lane
    B. The second left lane
    C. The third left lane
    D. The far right lane
    Answer: D

    4.1.1.7 摩托车驶出高速公路隧道口时,会突然受到横风的袭击,会明显出现 感。
    A.减速
    B.漂移
    C.压力
    D.方向偏移
    答案:D

    4.1.1.7 When a motorcycle leaves the opening of an expressway tunnel, it will be attacked by side wind and the vehicle can have _____.
    A. A feeling of deceleration
    B. A feeling of acceleration
    C. A feeling of pressure
    D. A feeling of deviation
    Answer: D

    4.1.2 判断题:(11题)
    4.1.2 Judgment Questions: (11 questions)

    4.1.2.1 摩托车驶入匝道后,迅速将车速提高到每小时60公里以上。
    答案:错误

    4.1.2.1 After a motorcycle enters the ramp, the driver should swiftly increase the speed to more than 60 kilometers per hour.
    Answer: Wrong

    4.1.2.2 摩托车在高速公路匝道上可以停车。
    答案:错误

    4.1.2.2 A motorcycle may stop on the ramp of an expressway.
    Answer: Wrong

    4.1.2.3 摩托车不得在高速公路匝道上掉头。
    答案:正确

    4.1.2.3 A motorcycle is not allowed to make a U turn on the ramp of an expressway.
    Answer: Right

    4.1.2.4 摩托车在高速公路匝道提速到每小时60公里以上时,可直接驶入行车道。
    答案:错误

    4.1.2.4 When a motorcycle has increased its speed to more than 60 kilometers per hour on the ramp of an expressway, it may directly enter the carriageway.
    Answer: Wrong

    4.1.2.5 在同向2车道的高速公路上,摩托车应在左侧车道上行驶。
    答案:错误

    4.1.2.5 When running on an expressway that has two lanes in the same direction, a motorcycle should run in the left lane.
    Answer: Wrong

    4.1.2.6 摩托车应靠高速公路的右侧路肩上行驶。
    答案:错误

    4.1.2.6 The motorcycles should run by the right shoulder of an expressway.
    Answer: Wrong

    4.1.2.7 摩托车在高速公路上行车,可以频繁地变更车道。
    答案:错误

    4.1.2.7 A motorcycle running on an expressway may frequently change lanes.
    Answer: Wrong

    4.1.2.8 摩托车在高速公路上行车,如果因疏忽驶过出口,可从路肩逆行驶回出口处。
    答案:错误

    4.1.2.8 If a motorcycle running on an expressway misses an exit, it may reverse to the exit along the shoulder.
    Answer: Wrong

    4.1.2.9 摩托车驶离高速公路时,应当经减速车道减速后进入匝道。
    答案:正确

    4.1.2.9 When a motorcycle leaves an expressway, it should reduce speed in the deceleration lane before entering the ramp.
    Answer: Right

    4.1.2.10 摩托车在高速公路行驶时,可以仅凭感觉确认车速。
    答案:错误

    4.1.2.10 When a motorcycle runs on an expressway, the driver may ascertain the speed according to his feeling.
    Answer: Wrong

    4.1.2.11 摩托车进入高速公路匝道后,应使车速降到限定时速以下。
    答案:正确

    4.1.2.11 After a motorcycle enters the ramp from an expressway, it should reduce its speed below the prescribed speed limit.
    Answer: Right
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