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  1. #1 Lao-Japan Trading Corporation 
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    This is interesting…or not?

    Lao-Japan Trading Corporation:
    http://www.lao.co.jp/

    http://www.lao-japan.com/index.html

    http://www.global-genesis.com/index.html

    That’s a first…it is a Japanese company selling Chinese motorcycles and actually the better products.

    Here is a down-load link for a parts list and diagrams for a GXT200B(B) its a Qingqi 200.
    http://www.global-genesis.com/parts_catalog/QQ/GXT200B(B).xls

    (it is an Excel file, so if you do not have MS Excel you will not be able to view it)

    Genisis also show some other models like the 250cc Qingqi and also one of the ZONES bikes.

    It’s a wholesale group…not retail, so unless your willing to buy a container full they are not going to be interested in communicating with you.
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    Notice the sales they are claiming on the one site, between 20-25K units in 2010.
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    Who is Dafier?

    CHONGZHOU DAFIER AUTO-VEHICLE CO. LTD

    http://www.dafier.com/english/home.htm

    http://dafierusa.com/

    Is everything the Chinese do such a big song and dance?
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    I can see how they undercut themselves into markets….

    In the USA DAIFER holds the EPA certifications for the 250cc models.

    I think that they may have run into trouble with the model and production of it. It may have to do with it not being able to meet C3 conformity? Then also the chopped up distribution system and its lack of individual demand, which is the result of the lack of the economy of scale. Each small piece dies easy and then collective demand falls as a function of that.

    One common system distributing across all markets.

    I can see were the industry is going and then how it will fail…they will seek mergers and acquisitions and grow in complexity and also redundancy.

    They should be centralized with satellites all using a common system, with a common name.

    Its Sinnis in the UK and Daifer in the USA but they are feeding other brands still and in that its fragmented.

    I bet these factories are bleeding capital, bet they are loosing money and if so the more they make the more they can loose…

    They can fragment and divide the value chain but the final sale tells the tail, even if financially disconnected it eventually comes back around to the source as in that piece dies off.
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    It’s kind of dry stuff….

    Two types of stocks B and A, foreign and domestic.

    The company operates in the red. It has a gain on its operations then looses all that on administration.

    Typical investment philosophies are in all this, from the IPO on not much thought given to markets and product offerings. Then also the glaring statistics that it is the 26th largest motorcycle producer in China.

    No others have that many producers….that statistic is mind boggling and it screams a lack of sustainability.

    I once was told by a representative of Shineray that they had 2,000 individual distributor they supplied globally. That made me wonder who bought the most and of what…. The break-out of that claimed number and the product mix within that, what to who and were?

    The banks in china are funding these losses, the patients are bleeding and the bank are there offering blood to keep them from collapsing? Its very much like welfare…

    They collectively in general take the correct approach but simply do not do the leg work, they do not drill down into markets, they do not differentiate and count…not only that they have to build in markets they have to integrate into the markets.

    Each market is different and in some they have to be ruthless and in that buy off the others in the market and get control. In that the front offices have to see what or who and get control of them. But in that they have to be 100% accountable to their products. The offering of hundreds of variation of the same things will kill them all off, the banks are not evaluating the investments wisely. They have to stop funding some and only fund investing in distribution systems and mergers.

    They created a horrible scenario were everyone is fighting to get to heaven and nobody is willing to die. The high production and high number of players is not sustainable…the income statements are in red ink.
    The banks must be feeding them low or no interest capital and that because they are government banks. It is a giant welfare system. The shutting down is loss of labor it is a huge pending layoff….the workers will do what?

    That is why they have been told make it all private and deal with it, let the market decide and the banks need to be private as well and accountable to themselves….but unfortunately ignorance and greed are everywhere and if left un-regulated they will sell everyone out for a buck and then blame it all on somebody else.

    My only suggestion is regulate on emissions, only allow production of the cleanest and the standard the highest on the globe and then all that is offered by default meets a global standard. Set up testing center and research centers to develop the products and sell it under license to those that have valid business models that include comprehensive global distribution systems. Fund the mergers and acquisitions that form full value chain business system models. Those that are tracking from production to after market sales.

    The key is that everything is globally exceeding the highest standards, that will kill off those that are not seeking the ideal. The banks need to be funding only advancements and not floating bad business models.
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    In the UK they should buy up the distribution that sell their products outside of the Sinnis brand.
    Then if those distributors are selling other manufactured brands then they buy those supply factories. In that they integrate the models and names.

    I am not totally sure but I would say less then twenty five names should exist and that’s allot compared to other manufacturing nations. Nobody has hundreds of manufacturers and for good reasons.

    So then it is a matter of buying up integrating and phasing out. That is only what the banks should back.

    They key is distribution and finding the market players and buying them and consolidating them, if they refuse then they will see their supply line dry up. If they agree they would be or should be empowered with capital and better business system to support them.

    Since the existing overall product offering across all is very shallow it would not be difficult to merge them. They all offer the same things, only different versions of the same things.

    It is the banks and regulations, the government, that will dictate the transition to less brands and fewer players in the market. But they have to be diligent and fund only the best of breed in business practices. In that should be or include distribution systems and the elimination of wholesaling. That done through strategic buying up of distribution systems and related manufactures.
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