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  1. #1 Zongshen 
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    I’m fairly certain that Zongshen stopped manufacturing the GS250 and the Sierra 200cc Dual Sport. Not positive about that but it seems they have opted to cater to the emerging markets with under 150cc production models and also moved their executive management to Vancouver Canada. In that they are attempting to improve their operating margins and also present financial through the Canadian market system. They are also developing electric vehicles as they see that as having high growth potential.


    Jianshe is Yamaha in China, they are offering the original behind the GS250 it is the SRV200
    ( that link got unplugged...they still have an SRV-I listed on this site http://www.yamaha-motor.com.cn/home/...e-ii/1060.html) But it is only a 150cc along with the SRZ 150, both of which have no linked details.


    However they are not offering the TW200 which is the original behind the Sierra 200cc. I would say they should and that would be a decent motorcycle for adventure ridding in China. The Sierra was a big seller and may have been dropped by Zongshen do to stricter emissions. However Yamaha should have the technology to get that bike approved. Jianshe should also consider offering the Serrow in China as well.
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    It is a shame if Zongshen are no longer manufacturing their Sierra 200. Moderator 'Spudrider' from chinariders.net has logged 40,000 miles on his Sierra! That bike is definitely unique among Chinese-made bikes not only due to its unique looks, but also that is uses an engine seemingly cloned from the Yamaha TW200. As far as I can tell, Zongshen never used that engine in any other bike.

    MJH, did Zongshen in China actually move its executives to Canada, or is that Zongshen America?
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    They moved the corporate executives to Vancouver, as Zongshen PEM, they are listed on the Toronto stock exchange as ZPP

    Zongshen America would be a distributor, its an LLC not publicly traded and actually barely exists. They may only be held in place because they have legal obligations to support dealers that sold their products. They may eventually offer more products in the USA who knows, but since Zongshen is focused on emerging markets its not likely.
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    Since Jianshe is a Yamaha affiliate, they should be manufacturing the small Yamaha bikes, the SRV200 and the TW200 as well as a full line based on the 250cc single. They also could be offering a SRV250, but I suppose that Yamaha is reluctant to see its market under cut on prices from the bottom up? They ideally want to charge the same prices and not lower them. But they could simply drop prices marginally and export the smaller bikes to other markets.

    A Chinese made SRV250 could be sold in the USA for under $3,500.00. But may detract sales from the higher priced Japanese made models.



    In the worst case they could offer the models only in China and sales should be high enough to justify that, but the prices would have to be reasonable.
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    Jianshe needs to advertise and promote the SRV200 as well as the YBR250, they need to sell more of them so they need to lower the prices and get them in the market. They both seem like decent enthusiast bikes a step above the mass of 150cc offerings. One step at a time?
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    Here is the website--seems promising if they can utilize Chinese manufacturing combined with western styling...

    http://www.zongshenpem.com/home.html

    edit-saw the site and the bikes are very uninspiring!!

    Hopefully they can offer bikes like the ones they tease us with on their home page!!!
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    More like western bookkeeping
    http://www.zongshenpem.com/corporate...0111114-1.html

    If you drill down into it you see that they are focused on selling to developing markets and in that motorcycles that are for transportation.

    Previously their three top models were pretty much copies of Yamaha entry level motorcycles. They restyled them and presented those in many markets, the USA being one of them and that resulted in them liquidating the inventory.

    Jianshe could do better they could be the source of the entry level models for Yamaha, they could offer the bikes at better prices and through an established dealer network.


    In the USA specifically these joint ventures could be offering a value line into the USA, that only requires that the Yamaha has the rights to the sales in the USA and then perhaps Jianshe the right to sales in china. The market is large enough it is just that these manufactures are blinded by the high numbers in production currently going on.

    The value line models in say the USA are actually higher end models in china, costing more but offering more. That would be the YBR250, SRV200 and then they should also be offering the TW200 and the full line of models based on the 250cc single in the YBR250.

    That would require prices at or around the same in both countries, I would estimate retail prices at or around $3500-$2,500.00. That sets a good stage for pricing parity and then Japan needs access to the Chinese market with less restrictions for the higher end market. Building into the Chinese market as it evolves without damaging the Japanese manufacturing base is imperative to the industry as a whole.

    Then Japan can benefit by offering more affordable entry level models in the USA, they can expand their rider base. They can attract new riders that eventually may move up to models made in Japan. If they are allowed access to the Chinese market less encumbered they can offer more and in that lower prices to all markets. That’s volume discounts and if entering at more affordable prices then it also bring pricing parity with western markets which will have a stabilizing effect.

    What is or should be a priority in all this is that the entry level persist and at reasonable prices.
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    The engine offered the SRV200, the SOHC 223cc is offered in Indonesia by Yamaha in the Scorpio Z.


    http://www.yamaha-motor.co.id/produc...new-scorpio-z/

    MSRP $2,700.00 USD

    13.4kW/8000rpm
    17.5Nm/6500rpm
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    Does this means no more zongshen moto in china!!!
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    Domestic Motorcycles
    The total revenue for domestic motorcycle sales was $31.3 million and shipments were 65,200 in the third quarter 2011 which are respective increases of 13.1% and 8.7% compared with the third quarter 2010. The average sales price ("ASP") was $480 per motorcycle, an increase of 3.9% compared to third quarter 2010. Sales improved over same period prior year because motorcycle sales in the third quarter, 2010 was particularly affected by the implementation of a new motorcycle standard, set-out in Country Standard No. 3 ("G3") that became effective on July 2, 2010 for motorcycle manufacturers.
    For the nine month period ended September 30, 2011, sales increased in the third quarter 2011 improved over second quarter 2011 because of local advertising initiatives such as the Company's recent Legendary Motorcycle Tour and closer collaboration with dealers which included increasing the credit limit to support their sales initiatives. Increased parts delivery in the third quarter 2011 also allowed the Company to deliver into the order backlog. In the prior quarters sales were partly disrupted by late parts delivery because of raw material, labor and electricity shortages that affected our key suppliers.


    G3 - Emissions Update
    Although domestic sales improved in the third quarter 2011, the Chinese domestic motorcycle market remains challenging for large manufacturers, including ZPP in the immediate term because the enforcement of G3 by the Chinese government has been uneven. Most large manufacturers like ZPP comply with the new emission standards while the compliance by smaller manufacturers has not been uniform and as a result have continued to produce lower priced, non-G3 motorcycles. Large manufacturers have been affected the most by G3 and in the first nine months of 2011, the top Chinese 13 manufacturers have seen domestic volume drop by 35% compared with the same period in prior year.


    Export Sales
    The total revenue for export sales was $33.8 million and export shipments totaled 82,500 units, respective increases of 89.6% and 89.7% over third quarter 2010. The ASP of export motorcycles was $409 in third quarter 2011, consistent with third quarter 2010. Export sales in 2011 has continued to improve as key export markets such as Brazil, Thailand and Southeast Asia enjoy strong economies and because the Company has increased marketing initiatives and introduced new motorcycle models in those markets.
    Brazil continues to be one of ZPP's strongest markets in 2011 where the company sold a total of 50,000 bikes in the first nine months of 2011, doubling prior year's full year shipments. Brazil is a developing economy where like rural China, the motorcycle is a key mode of transportation. In 2010, an estimated 2 million motorcycles were sold in Brazil, primarily for commuting purposes. The Company's export initiatives in the fourth quarter will be to increase the level of advertising in Southeast Asia and South America.
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