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  1. #1 New QingQi 250 Motorcycles! (QM250-2D, QM260-GY-B) 
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    QingQi has recently announced their two new 250's. One in a half-faired street version called the QM25-2D and the other a 250cc version of our favorite 200cc super-mo.

    Both bikes use identical engines which look to be enlarged versions of the QingQi Suzuki DR200 derivative.

    QingQi 250cc Engine Specs:

    Cylinder: Single
    Type: 4-Stroke, Air cooled
    Bore: 72mm
    Stroke 61.2mm
    Displacement: 249cc
    Compression Ration: 9.2:1
    Max Power: 154.4kw@7500rpm (~20.6hp)
    Max Torque: 19.5Nm @6000rpm (~14.4ft/lb)
    Lubrication: Pressure spray

    Specs and factory supplied images follow. Click on images for larger version.

    QM250-2D



    Specs:
    Length: 2035mm
    Height: 1105mm
    Width: 740mm
    Ground Clearance: 190mm
    Dry Weight: 170kg
    Fuel Capacity: 22L
    Fuel Efficiency: 2.3L/100km
    Transmission: 5 speed
    Final Reduction Ratio: 2.733
    Front Suspension: Inverted Telescopic
    Rear Suspension: Swingarm
    Steering Angle: 35 degrees
    Front Brake: Disk brake, Twin
    Rear Brake: Disk brake, Single
    Front Tire Size:110/70-17
    Rear Tire Size: 140/70-17


    QM250GY-B(ASD)










    Specs:
    Length: 2120mm
    Height: 1140mm
    Width: 830mm
    Ground Clearance: 240mm
    Dry Weight: 129kg
    Fuel Capacity: 10.6L
    Fuel Efficiency: 2.3L/100km
    Transmission: 5 speed
    Final Reduction Ratio: 2.733
    Front Suspension: Inverted Telescopic
    Rear Suspension: Link type
    Steering Angle: 48 degrees
    Front Brake: Disc brake, Single
    Rear Brake: Disc brake, Single
    Front Tire Size: 110/70-17
    Rear Tire Size: 130/70/17

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    Hmmmm.... very interesting. Definately a different top end than our current QM200 series. The rest looks pretty much the same. What's with the Liger250 decal on the rear panel ?

    Nice to see a full 20 ponies of output from QingQi. Would like to see a dualsport version with the USD forks of the Motard.

    Thanks CC for keeping us updated

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    I like the second one, the first one may not look bad if you take off the headlight fairing and put something "streetfighterish" on it...
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    The first one has a model with not fairing but a single round headlight instead. Too bad these things aren't selling in NA. Actually, I'm not really sure where they are selling.


    On another hand, if that big reflector on the fairing headlight puts out some real usable light and provides a little wind protection, I think it would be a welcome addition. One issue with C-Motos is poor night-time riding safety due to insufficient stock head-light design. I hope this is a step in the right direction!

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    I really like the 200 naked sport they have for sale...anyone know if they are coming to the USA?
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    No plans have been announced for it yet. They even have a 250 model now available and are trying to make something that will appeal to the world market by asking for our feedback on a new proposed model.

    You can contribute your input on the model in the following link and the info will be sent to QingQi for consideration.

    http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=436

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyCarl View Post
    Too bad these things aren't selling in NA. Actually, I'm not really sure where they are selling.
    It must be mythical, a sort of Unicorn bike. They had one badged as a Peugeot but they know nothing about it either.
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    HAHAHAH...magical unicorn bike!

    I've seen them on showroom floors in China but never in the US or anywhere else for that matter. ChinaV had mentioned in another post that many of these bikes must be for export orders only and that's likely right.

    The main reason why we don't see these bikes is because the manufacturers don't do direct distribution and rely on importers which complicates the distribution and support process. Additionally, the manufacturers are still figuring out the overseas marketing game and hindered by bureaucratic inertia.

    I'm hoping many of them will figure out these problems in 2009!!!

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    is this a new 250 motor? we know the 200 is basically the same motor in the dr200se suzuki enduro.

    i am very curious about this motor. i want to know if it utilizes any new technology. any at all.

    it looks like it may be the same motor in the 2009 suzuki tu250. suzuki says this is a new motorcycle.



    it looks like the motor specs for the new qm250gy-b(asd) sumo and the qm250 2d mirror the suzuki tu250.

    http://www.suzukicycles.com/Products...s/Default.aspx

    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyCarl View Post
    Both bikes use identical engines which look to be enlarged versions of the QingQi Suzuki DR200 derivative.

    QingQi 250cc Engine Specs:

    Cylinder: Single
    Type: 4-Stroke, Air cooled
    Bore: 72mm
    Stroke 61.2mm
    Displacement: 249cc
    Compression Ration: 9.2:1
    Max Power: 154.4kw@7500rpm (~20.6hp)
    Max Torque: 19.5Nm @6000rpm (~14.4ft/lb)
    Lubrication: Pressure spray
    if so, they may also be fuel injected like the tu250 is! this would be very exciting news. any word on this?

    and on a side note, what does the "b (asd)" stand for? it must be some proto-type designation or something to that effect? we may never know! hehehhheh!
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  10. #10 Fuel injected TU250-Qingqi QM250-2D 
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    I think the (ASD) suffix might indicate a supermoto version but with a rear disc brake. Note that the 2009 model year Super moto QM200GY-B(ASD) has a rear disc brake as the only difference from previous models.

    After having a close look at the 250 versions, it looks as if there's a carburettor in there. You can just about see a float chamber. I don't think the Chinese will go to the extremes that Triumph has gone to with their Bonneville. On this they have made an injection system throttle body that imitates perfectly a CV carburettor, to keep things looking "classic".

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    For 2008, the Bonneville is updated with a new fuel injection system to ensure the Bonneville meets forthcoming Euro 3 legislation. The fuel injected engine is cleaner running than the carburettor version, and is easier to fire up from a cold start. The cool retro styling that makes the Bonneville so legendary remains uncompromised, as the fuel injectors are cleverly concealed by throttle bodies designed to look like carburettors.

    On the other hand, they WILL have to adopt fuel injection sooner rather than later. New emissions regulations will force them to. Notice that Honda has withdrawn the popular CBF 250 from the market as it was carburetted, but Yamaha have kept their YBF 250 as it's injected. They both competed in the same market, but Honda has withdrawn it.

    When they do we will be looking at increased prices and I hope the usual carelessnes with their design, materials and production techniques does not permeate into their injected models, otherwise we'll be in the shit. Injection systems do not suffer inaccuracies and slapdash assembly or materials gladly.

    The Indians have already shown a Royal Enfield engine with fuel injection:



    By the way, that TU250 looks beatiful to my old-fashioned taste. It'll probably be made in my home town for the European market at least. I live in Gijón, Northern Spain, where Suzuki has the European manufacturing facility in the old PUCH factory. Mind you, the engines arrive here fully assembled, so they're probably made by Qingqi.

    Here's an article detailing the history of the Suzuki plant in Gijón:

    http://www.acem.eu/NWSL/newsl12/suzukiplant.htm
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