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  1. #1 New Yingang Motorcycles 
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    Chongqing Yingang Group Motorcycles has just launched two motorcles models

    1. On/off-road YG150X
    Yingang X series will be the new platform for on and off road motorcycles with full-sized chassis,
    engine from 125 to 250cc, and with cross model and supermoto model.

    2. Street version YG250NF
    250cc DOHC 4V, water cooling, 6 speeds, Electrical Fuel Injection.

    Below are YG250NF pictures:

    YG250NF FI VERSION001.jpg
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    Here you have a manufacture that is being forced to offer something (EFI) into a market that is reluctant as in it has apprehension to accept that forced technology.

    How do they prove that the technology used within the implementation is good, it goes beyond simply saying it is good.

    If something is bad and you then claim it as good…you take steps backwards. If you are open to or transparent in accountability then what happens if the product is not in fact good? You then take the steps forward to make it better, you disclose that in what and how, identification, solution, implementation.

    Planting people in websites to promote interest, is mischievous at best, if the product is not vetted it is then even worse as it is actually then maniacal

    Fifty motorcycle assigned to fifty owners that are tracked through fifty service centers. The results documented and then analyzed, what is the probability of any failure and then the response and resolution times. If the numbers are bad then you go back to the drawing board, you do not keep selling, forward is just that and those watching can see progression as it is happening.

    That is supposed to happen before the launch…..then the numbers are brought under statistical process control before the launch, perfection is the ever evasive goal.

    The only valid way to address apprehension is due diligence and in a manner that is open, honest and sincere.

    Samples are tests, they test the probability of an event. Good is the lowest probability of failure, it is not something glazed over with empty promises and flattering expressions.
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    There are serious problems with Chinese companies, alas motorcycle manufacturers suffer from the worst excesses, hi tech computing and cell-phone manufacturers have the least problems.

    These problems are essentially culturally definable to mainland China.........
    -Cultural problem that many businesses are at least partially government owned, therefore trying to please party bosses, not customers (Jialing).
    -Cultural problem that many businesses are at least partially government owned, therefore customers are not inclined to complain as much as they would if foreign imported goods fall below expectations.
    -Profit motive is very strong and there is a massive temptation to cut costs using substandard metals and parts in manufacture, shoving bikes out the door with little or no QC to fill orders.
    -Profit motive is very strong and there is a massive temptation not to R&D products properly.
    -Motorcycles are seen as low and unimportant, many technicians aren't well trained and the industry has few innovators, and can't attract good engineers.
    -Mainland Chinese tendency to sweep problems 'under the carpet' or 'bury their head in the sand', rather than apologizing for mistakes or defects (face saving)(Jialing).
    -A massive population gives companies the impression that customer satisfaction doesn't matter because another customer will be along soon, so customer service is a low priority.
    -Some Chinese companies think that they can buy a good reputation, positive reviews, good will and product interest.

    How can a Chinese company reassure customers that a new technology such as EFI works on their bikes? Do the one thing they don't want to.....spend money and pay for a specialist company to help them develop the technology for their bikes and publicize the fact. Jialing did exactly that, but still managed to fail.
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    Let just say that you buy a motorcycle, when you do you get with it a card, that card would have a bar code on it, then so would the vehicle. You take it to a registration center, they scan both and see that they match, they then scan your personal ID card then abracadabra it is registered to you.

    You then go home and go online, you enter the code on the bar code at a website, then abracadabra there is all the details on your motorcycle.

    One of the displayed links is for an authorized service center, it has a map and also an option that allows you to link to your GPS and if equipped with your on-board computer, it can take you to the dealer and even notify the dealer you are coming. It creates a line in your “tracks’ which is your log of events. ”

    But it is even smarter then that, since there are restrictions, it knows or calculates your directions to ensure you are not ridding in unauthorized areas. It would have an on board feature, a light that displays red or green, if you enter a road that is restricted the red light comes on, then you have a time limit to get back on track or an entry will occur on your tracks…a fine for accessing a restricted area.

    Maybe they can link the high profit cellular network to the vehicles? Then maybe they can attract some diverse engineering talent?

    I like the idea of color coding plates and also roads, the green plates would be the plates that are on the grid the red would not. The red would be restricted manually and the green automatically and only charged for access to a restricted area when that access occurs. It could offer a calculation for the cost of the route, and offer public transport alternative routes, online schedules for trains and buses.

    Then all the vehicles would be in one giant database redundant and monitored in a giant bank servers.

    If you put electronics on a motorcycle, then I would suggest adding some value to the functionality, give it some artificial intelligence. Then it generates metrics…in that is QC real-time.

    Something for all the national R&D centers to work on….
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    Quote Originally Posted by MJH View Post
    ... It creates a line in your “tracks’ which is your log of events. ”

    But it is even smarter then that, since there are restrictions, it knows or calculates your directions to ensure you are not ridding in unauthorized areas. It would have an on board feature, a light that displays red or green, if you enter a road that is restricted the red light comes on, then you have a time limit to get back on track or an entry will occur on your tracks…a fine for accessing a restricted area.

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    Just go ahead and apply at homeland security - ever heard about privacy? I value that as a basic right very high.
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    mjh you need to get out more
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZMC888 View Post
    There are serious problems with Chinese companies, alas motorcycle manufacturers suffer from the worst excesses, hi tech computing and cell-phone manufacturers have the least problems.

    These problems are essentially culturally definable to mainland China.........
    -Cultural problem that many businesses are at least partially government owned, therefore trying to please party bosses, not customers (Jialing).
    -Cultural problem that many businesses are at least partially government owned, therefore customers are not inclined to complain as much as they would if foreign imported goods fall below expectations.
    -Profit motive is very strong and there is a massive temptation to cut costs using substandard metals and parts in manufacture, shoving bikes out the door with little or no QC to fill orders.
    -Profit motive is very strong and there is a massive temptation not to R&D products properly.
    -Motorcycles are seen as low and unimportant, many technicians aren't well trained and the industry has few innovators, and can't attract good engineers.
    -Mainland Chinese tendency to sweep problems 'under the carpet' or 'bury their head in the sand', rather than apologizing for mistakes or defects (face saving)(Jialing).
    -A massive population gives companies the impression that customer satisfaction doesn't matter because another customer will be along soon, so customer service is a low priority.
    -Some Chinese companies think that they can buy a good reputation, positive reviews, good will and product interest.

    How can a Chinese company reassure customers that a new technology such as EFI works on their bikes? Do the one thing they don't want to.....spend money and pay for a specialist company to help them develop the technology for their bikes and publicize the fact. Jialing did exactly that, but still managed to fail.
    100% correct. The end result is that we have plenty of crappy China bikes, and it's crazy expensive to buy imported bikes. So people just buy crap that and it's so easy to replace crap parts here (or so some think). Reading what you wrote I find little hope of any change in the China bike market coming anytime soon.
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  10. #10 Re: New Yingang Motorcycles 
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    seriously guys im confused!!
    Whats going on here..lol.
    Is the Technology (EFI) on the bike no that good?
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