LIFAN 力帆实业（集团）股份有限公司

[MJH]

I bet that Honda of Germany sent Lifan a letter warning them to stop selling a copy of their VTR250. They may or may not have, if they sold them in America they would get a letter eventually. A warning letter stop of we will sue you in court for damages.

[Zorge]

Don't forget that there is huuuge second hand bike market in Germany...

[MJH]

BMW remains market leader (16.09%) in 2012 in Germany for all classes, followed by Honda (13.65%), Yamaha (8.44%), Piaggio (8.04%) and Harley-Davidson (7.48%). Within the larger motorcycles segment, BMW’s market share increases even to 23.16%.
Also the second most popular model sold in 2012 was an ER6-n, behind the most popular R1200 GS.
Lifan would do better in Germany selling Mopeds and motorized cycles.
Germany is not unlike America, new products have to really prove themselves. They have to be really well made, really well warrantied and professionally supported. The number of people willing to buy online is few and the markets are already slim. Not every country will want the same products, BMW will take more of a market share with what they develop out of TVS in India and then get to the market through it established dealers and for really good profits to.

[Cardillac]

Forget BMW. This is for the 60+ generation. Behind every group of BMW-driver drives the technical welfare organization and the ambulance.

In Denmark, the Chinese seem to have a lot of success especially Lifan.

http://www.bikedanmark.dk/

http://www.lifan4you.dk/html/motorcykler.htm

[Cardillac]

Germany is not unlike America, new products have to really prove themselves. They have to be really well made, really well warrantied and professionally supported. T.

How can a newcomer to keep up with the technical standards of Honda or BMW?

If someone like Lifan brings smaller machines on the market in the lower price segment, it has to offer:

- Service hotline with competent technicians

- Clear and detailed workshop manuals

- community, so that you can identify with the product

- Organization of the supply of spare parts, including the not so legal tune-up utilities ...

The Danes have done better, and therefore there is booming business with Lifan motorcycles

The 125 of Honda, Yamaha, etc are bought little because they are too expensive and also the license costs a lot of money. Young people go mainly scooters.

[Zorge]

Forget BMW. This is for the 60+ generation. Behind every group of BMW-driver drives the technical welfare organization and the ambulance.

So true!

.....

This spring in Greece: group of Italian gents from BMW club Ancona and 50 meters away, their support van.

Pics taken from here - http://forum.bjbikers.com/index.php?...1-hellas-2015/

[MJH]

How can a newcomer to keep up with the technical standards of Honda or BMW?

If someone like Lifan brings smaller machines on the market in the lower price segment, it has to offer:

- Service hotline with competent technicians

- Clear and detailed workshop manuals

- community, so that you can identify with the product

- Organization of the supply of spare parts, including the not so legal tune-up utilities ...

The Danes have done better, and therefore there is booming business with Lifan motorcycles

The 125 of Honda, Yamaha, etc are bought little because they are too expensive and also the license costs a lot of money. Young people go mainly scooters.

- Top 10 registered models in Germany – 2014
1) R1200GS
2) GT300 Super
3) Duke 125
4) MT07
5) MT09
6) YZF-R125
7) ER6-n
8) Z800
9) S1000R
10) WR125
They are buying the 125cc bikes in Germany, in 2014 Yamaha “L” class bikes three made it into the top ten. The KTM Duke 125 was the third bestselling model. The popularity of the “MT” Yamaha line brought about the MT-125…I think new for 2015 and likely will hit in the top ten for 2015.

Class A1

Category Light motorcycles (125cc)
: Mandatory on the class A1 is
a theoretical training.
A practical training.
Minimum age 16 years
Class A1 Summary
* light motorcycles and light motor scooters up to 125 cc
* Maximum power 11kW (15hp) - no speed limit
* Maximum power to weight ratio not exceeding 0,1 kW / kg
* Minimum in Germany 16 years
. a * Includes category AM The A1 license is not automatically 2 years extended to A2. To this end, an A2 license training is required.

[MJH]

Don't forget that there is huuuge second hand bike market in Germany...

I believe that allot of the used motorcycles end up in other countries, considering the low sales statistic in Romania and the high number of used bikes there and what seems to be relatively cheap prices. http://www.bikeshop.ro/anunturi-moto/sport-touring-1

[Cardillac]

Lifan disappeared from Germany without a trace and so quiet, as if it had never existed. Here's a forum post of a visitor of the Lifan headquarters in Neuss/Germany some time ago. With some photos.

http://www.yamasaki-forum.com/t1431-...europazentrale

Very very sad: C

[Zorge]

Your neighbors may be ridding these?

Hamachi LF200-18 DUKE



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