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  1. #1 Bashan 重庆航天巴山摩托车制造有限公司 
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    Bashan ranks 17th in production, they export 90% of their production.


    Here are two models they offer…both of these are 250cc and offered in Trinidad for just under $3,000.00 USD.

















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    Autobots, transform and roll out!
    Ask me nothing - I DO NOT speak english. Really...
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    Bashan is floating images of a bike they claim to be manufacturing, that looks exactly like the Honda Varadero XL125. Actually it is an image of a real XL 125 Varadaro they are using, tsk tsk.


    The bike is advertised by Bashan on their Spanish language website.



    Then it also is being advertised on chinamotorworld.com as a BS250-18, with an image that seems to show a Yamaha v250 altered into an image of the Honda.
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    Its interesting, in how messed up are these people, how they spend so much time altering images but then offer up some of the most distorted images of models they actually do make and sell.
    Like this one on Bashan’s Russian website of a CG125, it so blurry, they spend much more effort in deceiving the then spend when offering up the more legitimate models?
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    Finally, some of the Chinese manufacturers figured out that they have V2 engine on the shelf and that it can be installed on something that is not cruiser or chopper.
    Ask me nothing - I DO NOT speak english. Really...
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    If they are interested in cheating to make money then why not just copy currencies, it is also easier and cheaper? If rules of law do not matter then why bother with all the details, just copy money. If somebody has some thing you want just hit them over the head and take it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MJH View Post
    Bashan is floating images of a bike they claim to be manufacturing, that looks exactly like the Honda Varadero XL125. Actually it is an image of a real XL 125 Varadaro they are using, tsk tsk.


    The bike is advertised by Bashan on their Spanish language website.



    Then it also is being advertised on chinamotorworld.com as a BS250-18, with an image that seems to show a Yamaha v250 altered into an image of the Honda.
    Apparently Bashan never progressed this model into mass production due to the price
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    The factories only make 1-2% profit per unit, many are operating in the red.


    I see the prices the wholesaler ask for the 250cc models the prices at wholesale represent prices that cannot support a realistic retail price. They cannot make a few of anything, they have to make tens of thousands to justify production. If it is not something special and they do not have established respect in the market it will not sell.


    Bashan created an image and then through third party systems tested the wholesale market and no significant interest existed, that bike for that price…no thanks…we will not be able to sell them.


    I would buy this bike in the USA for $3,500.00

    But only if it came through supported by a Yamaha dealer and it could, they could make it in china through their joint venture with Jianshe.


    I would not pay $4,290.00 for the VX250,


    Yamaha only uses that engine in one model, in Japan they call it a Drag Star 250

    They make the bike very boring before sending them to the US.



    Lifan and Qianjiang offer copies of the VX250, they retail for at or around $3,500.00.
    If you cannot beat them join them, they did already they are joined so they just need to lower the prices on these and manufacture them to China. Bring back the SRV250 and offer it up in the USA for $3,500.00
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  9. #9 Re: Bashan 重庆航天巴山摩托车制造有限公司 
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    They need to defend their product and they are not, they can introduce the copied products at a lowered price and simultaneous issue cease and desist orders to those violating existing patents. They can track sales by state of the violation and send out legal letters, stop now or we will seek recovery of losses on the sales you made of our products that are patented designs.


    Yamaha knows what it patented and they should not bother to file patents if they are not going to follow up in the actual enforcing of them.


    If a consumer sees it as a clone….that pretty much confirms a violation of a design.


    They should also sell the engines but in that they would notify other manufactures that they cannot configure the engines into copied designs that they have patents on. They can sell the engines and in that stamp them with a purchasers brand and also inform them they cannot use the Yamaha name or they can but must pay for the use of the trademark and then define the scope of the use.


    Any engine manufactured before 1993 can be copied, they can not copy the cases if they are protected as ornamental designs.


    Unfortunately it seems only the USA that follows this, the international community does not offer indefinite ornamental patent protection.


    http://www.wipo.int/hague/en/general...how_to_protect


    Be aware though if it look just like something else it likely is violating laws and the more sold represents an increased likelihood of getting a letter stating the violation.
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