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  1. #11 Re: Jan 1, 2013 Traffic Law Amendments 
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    Not sure what any of you are talking about. Points?
    Thought you just go to an agent to paydown your points. This is China, right?

    Funny, but true.

    Anyway, ChinaV's comment "Child sticking head out of sunroof." reminded me of a video I'd thought I'd share.
    Okay, she's on a train and not driving, but the karmapolice should deduct points from her life for this move!



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  2. #12 Re: Jan 1, 2013 Traffic Law Amendments 
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZMC888 View Post
    how about 12 points for:
    -Reversing semi trailer into major highway
    -massively overloading a truck and spilling all sorts of crap onto the road and damaging the road surface
    -Driving the wrong way down any road or freeway
    -Running red lights without looking

    how about 1 point for:
    -yielding at a red light and going if there is bloody obviously nothing coming
    -honking unnecessarily
    -parking a car in a cycle lane or on a footpath
    -parking with over a meter of car sticking into the road
    How about 1 point for:
    Driving in snow and ice conditions as though it is summer on winter tyres.Increases to 6 points once said automobile enters toll road and proceeds to do 120kmh + while toll road covered in snow and ice.

    How about 3 points for:
    Driving in snow and ice conditions as though it is summer on standard summer tyres.Luckily this automobile crashes off the road before they can reach the entrance to toll road (or on the sweeping corner on entrance to said toll road)where they would try and keep up with the 120kmh + mob.Usually there driving a santana or a sultana as I like to call them.

    How about 3 points for:
    Putting 2 snow tyres on the back wheels leaving standard summer tyres on front when car is front wheel drive only.Should be 3 points for stupidity.

    How about 6 points for:
    Doing the above while 2/3 year old child sits in there lap with no seat belts on and talking on mobile phone with one hand even though car and phone have blue tooth sync available.
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    Stopping for yellow rule has angry drivers seeing red


    SHANGHAI DAILY NEWSPAPER
    Jan 3, 2013


    Drivers in China have been getting angry over a new crackdown on running through intersections when traffic lights are at yellow.


    While announcing new rules in October that double the penalties for traffic light violations, officials also stressed that running a yellow light will now be considered the equivalent of running a red one.


    Drivers accustomed to considering the yellow light a warning and the red light an imperative have been left confused, wondering how they can stop suddenly for a yellow light.


    In an online comment, Xinhua news agency cited pioneering physicist Isaac Newton on the difficulty of stopping the momentum of something in motion, saying the new rules are "unreasonable and contrary to Newton's first law."


    Police must enforce the new guidelines on stopping on both red and yellow to protect people's safety, Li Qing, an official from the Ministry of Public Security's traffic administration, said in an interview on China Central Television.


    Under the new rules that came into effect on Tuesday, penalties for traffic light violations doubled to six points on a 12-point scale that results in losing a license.


    If your vehicle is already partly over the line when the light changes from green to yellow, you may continue. Otherwise, you must stop, Li said.


    In some cities, some traffic lights count down the seconds until the color changes, but this isn't always the case.


    The new rules sparked outrage online from irate drivers, who complained of the dangers of stopping short in front of other drivers or the inconvenience of always having to slow down when approaching intersections.


    In an online comment forwarded more than 23,000 times, one driver wrote that he had smashed into the back of a car that had suddenly stopped for a yellow light.


    "I would like to say whoever made this yellow light rule must be stupid and evil. Everybody, when you are 1 kilometer away from the lights start to slow down ... I wish you the best of luck," wrote Beijing-based Sun Yixuan.


    "Netizens say it is difficult to stop on a yellow light. If you reduce your speed to very slow as you come up to the junction, this leads to unbearable traffic congestion," Xinhua said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TB-Racing
    Stopping for yellow rule has angry drivers seeing red


    SHANGHAI DAILY NEWSPAPER
    Jan 3, 2013


    Drivers in China have been getting angry over a new crackdown on running through intersections when traffic lights are at yellow.


    While announcing new rules in October that double the penalties for traffic light violations, officials also stressed that running a yellow light will now be considered the equivalent of running a red one.


    Drivers accustomed to considering the yellow light a warning and the red light an imperative have been left confused, wondering how they can stop suddenly for a yellow light.


    In an online comment, Xinhua news agency cited pioneering physicist Isaac Newton on the difficulty of stopping the momentum of something in motion, saying the new rules are "unreasonable and contrary to Newton's first law."


    Police must enforce the new guidelines on stopping on both red and yellow to protect people's safety, Li Qing, an official from the Ministry of Public Security's traffic administration, said in an interview on China Central Television.


    Under the new rules that came into effect on Tuesday, penalties for traffic light violations doubled to six points on a 12-point scale that results in losing a license.


    If your vehicle is already partly over the line when the light changes from green to yellow, you may continue. Otherwise, you must stop, Li said.


    In some cities, some traffic lights count down the seconds until the color changes, but this isn't always the case.


    The new rules sparked outrage online from irate drivers, who complained of the dangers of stopping short in front of other drivers or the inconvenience of always having to slow down when approaching intersections.


    In an online comment forwarded more than 23,000 times, one driver wrote that he had smashed into the back of a car that had suddenly stopped for a yellow light.


    "I would like to say whoever made this yellow light rule must be stupid and evil. Everybody, when you are 1 kilometer away from the lights start to slow down ... I wish you the best of luck," wrote Beijing-based Sun Yixuan.


    "Netizens say it is difficult to stop on a yellow light. If you reduce your speed to very slow as you come up to the junction, this leads to unbearable traffic congestion," Xinhua said.
    [Cynical Rant]Hi! In China in the police and government we're too lazy to actually understand what causes accidents and why people get killed. So we just slap arbitrary fines on going through red or yellow lights or going to fast so that people can just be forced to pay when in fact 98% of the time they've done nothing dangerous whatsoever.

    At same time there are people driving the wrong way down one way streets, honking like bitches driving the wrong way down cycle lanes, people reversing into highways in juggernauts, city streets an inch deep in ice all winter and children running amok unrestrained in cars, but we are so dumb we haven't realized those things are dangerous yet or refuse to enforce those because it's 'too difficult'.

    Not only that we ratchet up the anal-retentive fussiness of these traffic light rules even on open intersections were there is very minimal traffic and drivers can clearly see there is nothing coming, and absolute refusal to have traffic islands or any alternative to traffic lights every 200 yards. We say 'don't go too fast' or 'run red lights' 'for safety' but un-concidentally it allows us to rake in a heap of cash without getting off our lazy fat arses and going outside because we rely on cameras to do our cash-cow bidding for us.[/Cynical Rant]
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    5 motorists lose licenses under new rules
    By Zha Minjie | 2013-1-5 | NEWSPAPER EDITION SHANGHAI DAILY


    FIVE motorists had their driving licenses revoked yesterday in Shanghai as stricter traffic regulations came into effect.


    The five motorists were caught driving without a license plate or an obscured plate number.


    Under the new rules, each motorist has 12 demerit points. If they are all deducted, the motorist must return to driving school and retake tests to get another driver's license.


    The penalty for motorists with no license plate or an unclear plate number has risen from six demerit points to 12 under the new regulations.


    Traffic police said they noticed a decline in road accidents after the new regulations took effect on Tuesday.


    From Tuesday to Thursday, there were 1,993 traffic accidents in the city, down 1.1 percent from the same period of last year, police said yesterday.


    Motorists face tougher penalties this year under new rules targeting speeding, drunk driving and running lights.


    According to the new rules, 52 different violations can result in penalties, up from 38 under the previous regulation.


    Despite the tougher penalties, some motorists were still not complying.


    Police stopped a vehicle with a severely damaged license plate yesterday morning on an elevated ramp in Yangpu District. Officers said they could not read the plate number.


    Police said the motorist, surnamed Xu, had an accident in 2008 that damaged the plate.


    Xu's license was revoked after the 12 demerit points were deducted.


    "Drivers need to pay attention to their vehicle plates," police said.


    Some of the new rules have raised a heated debate as some motorists say they are "unreasonable."


    The most controversial by far is the new rule on yellow traffic lights. According to the rule, vehicles that have passed the stop line on the road when the light turns yellow can continue through the intersection. All other motorists are expected to stop. Violators will be fined 20 yuan (US$3.21) to 200 yuan and have six points deducted.


    Some motorists have said this is almost impossible in practice and may lead to more accidents as drivers stop too suddenly because of a yellow light.


    Traffic authorities countered by saying that if drivers slow down before they reach an intersection and keep a safe distance from the vehicle in front of them then there would be no danger.


    Local traffic police said no yellow light violations have been reported since the rule took effect.


    Wen Guowei, an expert of urban traffic planning and a professor at Tsinghua University, has challenged the yellow traffic light rule and suggested traffic police install traffic lights that count down how long the light will remain red, green or yellow.


    Such traffic lights already exist at some intersections.
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  6. #16 Re: Jan 1, 2013 Traffic Law Amendments 
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    The mentality here is "PASS THE TEST" and then do what you like. The problem is very few people "learn" how to drive. Their objective is to pass the test. Introduce the E bikers who do not need to comply with the rules of the road but are protected by the rules of the road and then you have a bad mix.
    The 50% over the speed limit simply means they can put the hidden 30km/hr signs and then bust you.
    I like the MOT bit. I'd say that most cars with MOT passes are not roadworthy and if you have an accident with a vehicle with bald tyres or no brakes the police dont' care as they have the MOT certificate.
    Just recently the police forced our bikes off the road and made us ride on the Ebike Lane. It is illegal to drive on these lanes if you have an engine. "ucked up. Totally "ucked up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lao Jia Hou View Post
    Happy New Year, fellow riders!

    January 1, 2013 brings some new and/or amended traffic laws. According to the Global Times, this is a summary:

    1 point:


    • Failing to carry a driving license or vehicle registration
    • Failing to display a roadworthiness certificate on vehicle
    • Failing to display an insurance certificate on vehicle
    • Driving without the correct lights


    2 points:


    • Using a mobile phone while driving
    • Driving an vehicle overloaded by up to 20% over capacity
    • Overtaking and cutting into a line of traffic
    • Using the wrong lane at a controlled intersection
    • Driving without seatbelts on an expressway


    3 points:


    • Driving recklessly when approaching a pedestrian crosswalk
    • Overtaking on highway ramps
    • Ignoring road markings
    • Failing to give way to pedestrians or vehicles when making a turn
    • Failing to give way to an oncoming vehicle making a left turn, when your vehicle is turning right
    • Driving up to 50% over the speed limit
    • Failing to give way to emergency vehicles
    • Overtaking when it is prohibited or driving on the wrong side of an expressway
    • Driving in the wrong lane of urban expressways


    6 points:


    • Driving with a suspended license
    • Using the emergency lane on expressways when traffic is congested
    • Running a red light
    • Failure to give way to a School Bus


    12 points:


    • Driving in reverse on highway, driving on wrong side of highway, or making a U-turn on a highway
    • Driving at more than 50% over the speed limit
    • Driving while under the influence of alcohol, or driving while intoxicated
    • Leaving the scene of an accident
    • Failure to properly display license number plates, obstructing number plates, defacing number plates

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    I haven't been able to do a line by line comparison old/new, but I think the above are the key modifications to the existing Traffic Code. For example, I think it is already the case that you get 12 points for using fake or copied plates, whereas it used to be 6 points for not properly displaying legal plates, obstructing plates (e.g,. on motorcycles, placing a heavy chain/lock over rear plate), or "defacing" plates (I think that means changing a number with black tape). That 6 points has been doubled.

    I think there are also changes to the attached fines, but I have not been able to find any info on that.

    As we all know, the key to the new laws will be year-round enforcement.

    Again, Happy New Year to all. Wishing you a safe & prosperous 2013.
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  7. #17 Re: Jan 1, 2013 Traffic Law Amendments 
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    IT is their way of trying to slow down traffic enough to stop accidents. It's that simple. They are going to create mayhem. The only real way to solve the traffic accidents is to BAN ALL VEHICLES. My worry is the "gurus" up top may have actually been considering this.
    Until they start educating road users who do not need driving licenses there will always be this problem.


    Quote Originally Posted by ZMC888 View Post
    Two big bones of contention here: 6 points: Running a red light. Hmm lights setup every 100-200 meters on city streets even on T-sections with very very long cycles with filters taking forever. Yield through two in a three year period instead of slavishly waiting and it's goodbye license?
    12 points: Driving while under the influence of alcohol, or driving while intoxicated. In China the alcohol limit is zero because allowing a minimum amount is just 'too difficult' so you have a glass of beer and goodbye license, hello detention center and massive fine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TB-Racing View Post


    Such traffic lights already exist at some intersections.
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    Almost every single traffic light I have seen in Weifang has the countdown numbers, showing time to next light sequence.

    Great idea I say.
    Good that they loose so many points, but maybe remove 9 points.
    They they can still drive, but be ever so careful.

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  9. #19 Re: Jan 1, 2013 Traffic Law Amendments 
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    Just read on CRI English that the government has backed off on the Yellow light rule.

    A driver who goes through a yellow light will receive a warning and be "re-educated" about driving habits, but there will be no penalty ... for now.
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    Harder driving tests stir complaints

    SHANGHAI DAILY NEWSPAPER
    Jan 9, 2013
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    Fewer people are passing the driving license exam after stricter traffic laws were enacted this year.

    The written test, once considered the easiest part of getting a license, was creating problems for a vast majority of test takers yesterday, the first day of the new exam.

    "It's too difficult," said a student, surnamed Li, after leaving a test room in Minhang District where only one of 40 students passed. "I have not seen these questions before during my preparation."

    The students complained the test questions were not included in their study materials. They said their study materials did not include information on the new traffic regulations.

    Students are only allowed to take one road test after they pass the written test.

    "I'm afraid it's difficult for them to pass the test at the very beginning," said a driving instructor. "In the past, it was simple and almost all of my students passed the first time."

    Some instructors said stricter tests will lead to better drivers in the future.

    Students were also having trouble with the new road test. At the Meilong driving school, only eight of 20 passed yesterday.

    At the same time, some driving schools are increasing prices - in some cases part way through a course.

    A student, surnamed Ni, said he was told by his instructor that he should "pay another 1,000 yuan (US$160.6) for the course." Ni had already paid 4,500 yuan.

    "I'm very disappointed, Ni said. "The only thing they are concerned about is money."

    City authorities said earlier they will monitor driving schools for illegal price hikes.

    The new regulations add test items for learners, who face stricter standards. In response, driving schools said prices will rise in line with "cost increases and prolonged learning periods."

    The new regulation puts more attention on dangerous driving and rookie drivers.

    Rookies with less than one year of driving experience are now required to be accompanied by experienced drivers if they want to take expressways, where severe accidents are more frequent, police said.
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