custom motorcycle for sale

[Lao Jia Hou]

i also know Norm's bike from the very early stages of buildup

Yup, me too.

since i arrived here in BJ 6 years ago i have been riding CJ's - all of them highly modified (2 of them converted to 2 wheelers) - all around in and outside BJ without having Trouble of any Kind!

You're a dealer, right? You're selling modified CJs, right? And you have an interest in this particular bike, right?

i have been stopped by Police several times but all they wanted me to do is to take a pic of them on my rides

Dealer advertisement?

i know within the period of my stay things changed - now that i'm leaving BJ i already sent 2 of my 4 CJ's back to Europe 6 months ago and the other 2 remaining have gone back to Germany 1 month ago

OK - without getting into details about CJs (I've also owned several, starting about a decade ago, of all shapes & sizes), the whole point is ... it is an illegal bike. It is not a 2004 registration, like the seller claimed, and it cannot be renewed (as the seller previously claimed). It is running fake documents. Let potential buyers know the truth & let the buyers decide for themselves - don't f'n lie about it. Lots of people are willing to run with fake docs on illegal bikes (ever seen a Su H plate?) ... well, they're willing to run fakes until they get into an accident. Not so much afterwards.

If the bike won't get into India, and it doesn't sell here, you could also get one of the few remaining CJ shops to whip up some fake registration & customs documents to get the bike into countries that allow "vintage" bikes (i.e., older than 25 years), and have an overseas friend sell it.

By the way, I share space with a large CJ builder in town (one of the few remaining) - he says most of his sales are to 2nd & 3rd tier cities. As a Beijing dealer, he's a bit shy about being held liable in Beijing (read the Traffic Code) if something goes sideways.

Finally, anyone who has been in Beijing a while can see the government's policy trajectory ... one day (who knows when), the man will likely be coming for the illegal bikes. Ever thought about why the gas stations are recording details about bikes & riders? Why are at least half the stations now asking for DL details, as well? Why do you think the police are compiling lists, via gas stations? Just for the hell of it?

Anyways, again - good luck with your sale - just be honest about what you're selling. There's probably a buyer out there, somewhere. Shit, in my exuberant youth, even I bought CJs! OK, fair enough, every CJ shop lied to me ... but that's another story.

[bikerdoc]

^ +1

[SabineHartmann]

LJH, there is a world outside Beijing 5th Ringroad. This is an international website.
The seller is a privat person, selling his beloved bike where he put a lot of money and heart blood in. He is looking for somebody to buy it. This person can be found, maybe, all over the world. For example, Germany, Us, Australia .... there you bring this bike to the "Tuev", pay all duties, get all papers and enjoy riding. This bobber is the one and only of his kind!
You have made yourself "expert" in Beijing Laws, but that is all you are.

[Lao Jia Hou]

LJH, there is a world outside Beijing 5th Ringroad. This is an international website.

Look, wonder woman, the guy advertised his bike as a 2004 registration (and on another website as eligible for renewal of an expired plate), and he claims he rides around inside the 2nd Ring Road all the time. And on those premises, he is trying to flog his actually-not-very-unique bike as something without legal risks.

Fine to "endorse" one of your few riding buddies, but he deserves being called out for trying to mislead people. Frankly, once again it shows the quality of your personal recommendations but, again, that's another story.

You have made yourself "expert" in Beijing Laws, but that is all you are.

One thing that has always amazed me about you, wonder woman, is that you somehow claim to know me, and you definitely seem to stalk me. The truth is ... you know shit about me, because after one ride with you, I have purposefully avoided you. When you "lived" in Beijing, you were in your tiny clique of the Shunyi-marvels, and that is fair enough, but you never left that little bubble. That was/is your entire universe, over your very limited riding experience.

As I recall, you were also the #1 advocate of illegals bikes during your tenure here, and you tried to look down on people with legal plates (jealousy perhaps?). I thought you'd changed your spots, but I guess not.

Anyways, it is a pretty bike. Now quit fucking stalking me!

[SabineHartmann]

Always a Gentlemen!

[bigdamo]

Ok you got me. What is a Shunyi-marvel.

[Geronimo]

Yup, me too.



You're a dealer, right? You're selling modified CJs, right? And you have an interest in this particular bike, right?



Dealer advertisement?



OK - without getting into details about CJs (I've also owned several, starting about a decade ago, of all shapes & sizes), the whole point is ... it is an illegal bike. It is not a 2004 registration, like the seller claimed, and it cannot be renewed (as the seller previously claimed). It is running fake documents. Let potential buyers know the truth & let the buyers decide for themselves - don't f'n lie about it. Lots of people are willing to run with fake docs on illegal bikes (ever seen a Su H plate?) ... well, they're willing to run fakes until they get into an accident. Not so much afterwards.

If the bike won't get into India, and it doesn't sell here, you could also get one of the few remaining CJ shops to whip up some fake registration & customs documents to get the bike into countries that allow "vintage" bikes (i.e., older than 25 years), and have an overseas friend sell it.

By the way, I share space with a large CJ builder in town (one of the few remaining) - he says most of his sales are to 2nd & 3rd tier cities. As a Beijing dealer, he's a bit shy about being held liable in Beijing (read the Traffic Code) if something goes sideways.

Finally, anyone who has been in Beijing a while can see the government's policy trajectory ... one day (who knows when), the man will likely be coming for the illegal bikes. Ever thought about why the gas stations are recording details about bikes & riders? Why are at least half the stations now asking for DL details, as well? Why do you think the police are compiling lists, via gas stations? Just for the hell of it?

Anyways, again - good luck with your sale - just be honest about what you're selling. There's probably a buyer out there, somewhere. Shit, in my exuberant youth, even I bought CJs! OK, fair enough, every CJ shop lied to me ... but that's another story.

Wow!

Sorry - didn't know you are "THE" specialist ...

What kinda fucking interest should i have in this particular bike - the current owner didn't buy it from me so what?

i'm not part of any community coz i'm an asshole - i do not live in shunyi even - i do not hang around with laowai's and i do not have any personal Advantage wether the bike gets sold or not

The Thing is i'm pissed with those tirekickers always giving comments to everything and finally claiming themselves as specialists

you asked how he managed to get around without getting any hassle with the Police - my answer was my experience within 6 years ridin' Changs in and outside BJ

sorry you are 4 years ahead of experience and you share space with a large CJ builder in town - definately you are much more experienced ... - shudders

seems after 10 years even you should know there are laws for everything here in China but noone takes care - off course if it gets "ugly" everybody starts wining but even in case of accidents with legal registered Changs insurance pays for max 2.000 rmb and you have to take care for everything else on your own

you are right with "legal or illegal" and also that someone has to Claim all Details before selling anything - that's for sure!

question is how to "remind" People and as far as i see the current owner didn't had any cheating or whatever in mind

for me seems you are Mr. Cool

THX for let us participate of your rich and outstanding knowledge ...

and BTW: if you are in a personal Vendetta with Sabine would be more efficiant to do that directly rather than on a Forum - just my 2 Cents about "personal behaviour"

[Lao Jia Hou]

Holy Mary, mother of Christ ... welcome to the Beijing CJ community! No wonder it is dying a slow death ... far from its glory-days of around 2004 when you couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting a few CJs driven by expats, with young girls in the bucket. Weekend rides would attract 30 bikes, or more. Now, maybe 4 or 5? Maybe. It was also about that time that custom CJ shops started springing up everywhere, claiming "We do it better."

This thread is about a guy selling his bike, and misrepresenting it. Who knows, perhaps he honestly believes it is a legal 2004 registration because that is what he was told by the CJ shop? There are lots of CJ owners around town who are learning hard lessons these days.

Face it, a lot of CJ shops rely on naive, FOB expat buyers. And the stories that are told to the newbies to move the bikes are simply amazing.

All I'm saying is ... be honest about the bike ... there are LOTS of people who buy illegal bikes. Let the buyer decide if he/she wants to take the risk, and to understand what the risks are. If it doesn't sell here, look elsewhere! For example, put the thing on weifengtang - definitely the best bet for that type of bike. Although it will be competing with the many other CJ bobbers done by Chinese guys.

As for your assertion that I claim great knowledge ... Nope, I just made the effort to learn the rules, after the CJ shops ripped me off. A community of bikers (e.g., MCM) help each other out ... that is what it is about. CJ shops didn't get the memo, I guess.

As for Sabine, I simply cannot express enough how unimportant she is to me ... but I kinda don't like hearing from people that she runs around telling people she knows me, or her vile posts/emails. I have simply decided to respond to her nonsensical posts (carefully read above), and asked her to stop stalking me. Not the first time, nor am I the only person, that has made that request of her. As I've noted elsewhere, it was encouraging to note that she finally got her driving license a few months ago, and a legal bike. Progress.

I'm waiting for all the shops to chime in, and blame the customer (i.e., me), for their dying businesses. Fortunately, however, there are still one or two shops that are straight shooters. That's good, because a 24HP CJ can be fun, for what it is, in small doses.

Sheesh, I'm really glad I've moved on from the CJ scene.

[crismoe']

Face it, a lot of CJ shops rely on naive, FOB expat buyers. And the stories that are told to the newbies to move the bikes are simply amazing.

All I'm saying is ... be honest about the bike ... there are LOTS of people who buy illegal bikes. Let the buyer decide if he/she wants to take the risk, and to understand what the risks are.

+1 here.,
couldn't agree more

[Geronimo]

Holy Mary, mother of Christ ... welcome to the Beijing CJ community! No wonder it is dying a slow death ... far from its glory-days of around 2004 when you couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting a few CJs driven by expats, with young girls in the bucket. Weekend rides would attract 30 bikes, or more. Now, maybe 4 or 5? Maybe. It was also about that time that custom CJ shops started springing up everywhere, claiming "We do it better."

This thread is about a guy selling his bike, and misrepresenting it. Who knows, perhaps he honestly believes it is a legal 2004 registration because that is what he was told by the CJ shop? There are lots of CJ owners around town who are learning hard lessons these days.

Face it, a lot of CJ shops rely on naive, FOB expat buyers. And the stories that are told to the newbies to move the bikes are simply amazing.

All I'm saying is ... be honest about the bike ... there are LOTS of people who buy illegal bikes. Let the buyer decide if he/she wants to take the risk, and to understand what the risks are. If it doesn't sell here, look elsewhere! For example, put the thing on weifengtang - definitely the best bet for that type of bike. Although it will be competing with the many other CJ bobbers done by Chinese guys.

As for your assertion that I claim great knowledge ... Nope, I just made the effort to learn the rules, after the CJ shops ripped me off. A community of bikers (e.g., MCM) help each other out ... that is what it is about. CJ shops didn't get the memo, I guess.

As for Sabine, I simply cannot express enough how unimportant she is to me ... but I kinda don't like hearing from people that she runs around telling people she knows me, or her vile posts/emails. I have simply decided to respond to her nonsensical posts (carefully read above), and asked her to stop stalking me. Not the first time, nor am I the only person, that has made that request of her. As I've noted elsewhere, it was encouraging to note that she finally got her driving license a few months ago, and a legal bike. Progress.

I'm waiting for all the shops to chime in, and blame the customer (i.e., me), for their dying businesses. Fortunately, however, there are still one or two shops that are straight shooters. That's good, because a 24HP CJ can be fun, for what it is, in small doses.

Sheesh, I'm really glad I've moved on from the CJ scene.

hate to Claim that but have to say you are 100% right - i still remember when the parallel road to kempinski was really stuffed 'n crowded with CJ-Dealers and everyone claimed to be the better - the best - the 100% - and also i heard stories about how easy it is to Register

think Gerald was one of the few honestly told me about the real Situation - that was back in 2007

and - reading back in your Statements - you just discussed wether or not the rig which is for sale is legal or not

think you hit the Point with that one!

it has to clearly pointed to a potential buyer what's about the real validity of the docs

maybe i was too quick with kickin' in

thomas