A couple new Lifan dual sports

[Jim]

I sometimes check the Lifan website to see what sorts of new things are going on there, and this time I was lucky enough to stumble upon two models I haven't seen yet... These are likely not available in North America yet though, as well as many other models they have, like the 200GY5A. The 6A looks almost like my GY6, only with the 200 replaced with a 250cc engine, and it also comes with a sort of luggage rack, and looks like the fork guards are slightly different. I wish we had more models available over here.

LF200GY-5B

Motorcycle model: LF200GY-5B
Dimension ((L×B×H mm):2130*820*1140
Wheel base (mm):1390
Min.Ground Clearance (mm): 240
Dry Weight:126kg
Height Of Seat (mm): 790
Fuel Tank Capacity(L): 8
Engine Type:Single-cylinder, air-cooled,four-stroke
Engine model: 163FML-2MP
Bore×Stroke: 63.5mm*62.2mm
Displacement: 196.9ml
Maximum Net Power 10.2kw/8000r/min
Maximum Torque:14N.m/6500r/min
Clutch: Wet multi-plate
Lubrication: Pressure/splash
Start: Electric start/kick start
Ignition:.C.D.I
Transmission: 5 gear
Max. Speed (km/h): 90km/h
Economical Fuel Consumption (l/100km): ≤2.3L/100km
Front Type Size and Air Pressure: 2.75-21/200KPa
Rear Type Size and Air Pressure: 4.10-18/225KPa
Climbing Ability (°): ≥20°
Exhaust Index: CO≤3.8%；HC≤800ppm
Start Performance: ≤15s
Braking system (front/rear): disk/drum
Brake Performance: ≤7m/30km/h


LF250GY-6A


Motorcycle model: LF250GY-6A
Dimension ((L×B×H mm):2160*830*1200
Wheel base (mm):1400
Min.Ground Clearance (mm): 260
Dry Weight:138kg
Height Of Seat (mm): 870
Fuel Tank Capacity(L): 12
Engine Type:Single-cylinder, air-cooled,four-stroke
Engine model: 167FMM-M
Bore×Stroke: 67mm*65mm
Displacement: 229ml
Maximum Net Power 10.5kw/7000r/min
Maximum Torque:15.8N.m/5500r/min
Clutch: Wet multi-plate
Lubrication: Pressure/splash
Start: Electric/kickj start
Ignition:.CDI
Transmission: 5 gear
Max. Speed (km/h): 90km/h
Economical Fuel Consumption (l/100km): ≤2.4L/100km
Front Type Size and Air Pressure: 2.75-21/200KPa
Rear Type Size and Air Pressure: 4.10-18/225KPa
Climbing Ability (°): ≥22°
Exhaust Index: CO≤3.8%；HC≤800ppm
Start Performance: ≤15s
Braking system (front/rear): disk
Brake Performance: ≤7m/30km/h



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I couldn't find a page on the lifan site for a 167FMM-M, the closest I found was a 167FMM-N, which doesn't seem right:

167FMM-N
Single-cylinder,four-stroke,air-cooled,hand-clutched, electric starter reverse 250cc

Who has the engine code decoder ring? Can we break down the code please?

[PresterJohn]

American Lifan posted a cryptic "we are working on new dual sport models for the upcoming season" on their board a few weeks back. No further information.

BTW, everybody seems to want the big engine. I'll take the 200GY-5B with the drum rear, conventional forks and 790mm saddle height, thanks.

PJ

[culcune]

American Lifan posted a cryptic "we are working on new dual sport models for the upcoming season" on their board a few weeks back. No further information.

BTW, everybody seems to want the big engine. I'll take the 200GY-5B with the drum rear, conventional forks and 790mm saddle height, thanks.

PJ

Why? (not trying to start argument, just wondering)

[Jim]

I could care less which rear brake I end up with, they would both do the job, and for my dual sport I am happy with a 200. If I were to get the 250 it puts it in a higher insurance rate class where I am, and prices go up. If I want to be in a higher rate class I've learned you may as well go to the top of the next rate class. My Vulcan is right at the bottom of it's class, and I believe the difference between it and a 750 is significant. These are just my opinions though.

[PresterJohn]

Fair question, and there's not a right or wrong answer beyond the individual. I'm attracted to the simplicity, lower cost, fuel savings - and a bike (like the 250GY-6A) with an 870mm saddle height is of very little use to me!

PJ

[Jim]

My gy6 is a little tall for me also, but not problematically so... I may however work on lowering it if it starts to bother me.

The 200GY-5B has a lower seat height then the common gy5, I thought that was a nice thing.

[culcune]

Ok...I personally got tired of the screaming 200cc, and am curious how one of the Chinese 250's runs on the open road. I commute from Yuma south to a small town just north of the US side of the US/Mexican border, and the speed limit is 50 mph (80ish kph), but the Mexican commuters are f*en flying at 75-80 + mph--I did it for a week on my 200cc jetmoto enduro, but would have preferred a little more power.

The Hi-Bird GY250 is available to me for about $920 (US)shipped wholesale to my door (I can get 1 sample from the US supplier), and this seems to be realistic price wise, but bad flashbacks of my Jetmoto stranding me (a few times) keep steering me towards a Qingqi (and I will not complain about its 200cc engine).

[apostille]

Having owned a couple of chinese bikes and currently having a Lifan 200 GY-5 I will share what I have learned. First of all
American Lifan and Lifan are not the same, if you buy an American Lifan from their dealer network you will get a warranty,
MCO and a bill of sale. They definitely are EPA and DOT approved and each bike has the proper stickers attached. Now,
not to mention any names but there are a lot of dealers that are selling direct imported bikes that are grey market. American
Lifan will not recognize them and will not warrantly them, if your dealer wont supply parts, you are screwed.
There is a big misconception about the cheaper bikes using Lifan Engines. Fact is most of them dont for one reason, they cost
more. They may look the same and the dealers will say they are Lifan, but beware. Real Lifan 200cc engines are known as
163FML-2, OHC, the big givaway to a non Lifan engine is the stroke. This engine has a stroke of 63.5 x 62.2mm which is relatively
long and contributes to it's low RPM torque.
The Engines used on most of the bikes mentioned in these forums including the nice looking blue one with the gold inverted fork's
are using non Lifan Engines. They look almost the same but their not, the biggest giveaway is the stroke, most of them are Jailing or Stannic
short stroke engines, 63.0 x 43.0mm and 61x 49. 5mm. They may or may not have OHC and they are not up to Lifan Quality.
The chinese are very good at copying another manufacturers product on the outside, but inside, Beware.
Having worked on several of these clones I can say that the Lifan is the best of the bunch. The Engines are practically Bulletproof
if properly maintained and the Steel used and the Weld Quality on their Frames are far above anything else I have seen.
If you are looking for a bike check Lifan's website and get some registered dealer names from them, if you negotiate you can get one in the 1200.00-1400
range delivered and you wont have the Headache of trying to get it Registered or getting part's when you need them. Most dealers just have them drop shipped from American Lifan in Dallas, not a scooter shop!
They do cost a little more, but remember, you get what you pay for!

[CrazyCarl]

Apost...

You sound like you've really done your research! Do you work for Lifan or a fan of their products?

CC