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    Hey long time since anything's been said about this bike, so here's a couple of interesting threads i found about it on moto8.cn.
    I ran them through google translator and they're mostly intelligible.
    Make of them what you will, i'm pretty tempted...

    http://translate.google.com/translat...istory_state0=

    http://translate.google.com/translat...a%3Dpage%253D4
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    Good links and good pics as well! Would be nice if we could test one on this side of the pond. Hmmmm....

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    Well, by the look of the posts and after wading through the google "translation" it seems they're having problems with the model. W ould be nice if they'd let us get ahold of one of 'em in Shandong.
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    If the engine is potent and reliable, that bike looks to have some serious fun potential.

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  5. #25 Kiwi test thrash ASIAWING LX450 
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    Hi everyone,

    Some more not so good info on these beasties, the starter motor although quite well built is totally useless in the brush/brush carrier department, burns out with in minutes, wrong capacity battery (supplied with a 4Ah when should be at last a 7) piss poor connections, & general sloppy assembly build cause them to fail after a few attempted starts.

    So then onto the kick start then, well it works just fine until you notice your boot keeps slipping off, both the alloy arm & cast shaft bits are way to soft in the metals, & these suckers are not easy to push start.

    Turns out the auto decomp mechanism is to blame, well you just can't ever seem to get enough adjustment out of it with out leaving a valve open at the crucial moment.

    Air filter (as some of you would have seen via a previous translated thred looks & is literally like a homemade jack up just to get home.

    Some of the components that come into contact with petrol start to fail very early, ie;

    1, Fuel lines go all gooey-tarry black, to the point they swell up & fall off, also the fuel hose clamps must be made out of paper clips, totally useless.

    2, The tank cap starts to bulge & turn grey, then simply splits open.
    3, Water hoses are of very average quality, but the clamps are once again, shite, maybe its just the cheap out of date Australian petrol we sometimes get here in NZ, but whats it doing to the carby internals?

    4, Nearly all the electrical cabling is under engineered too short at both ends by 1/2 inch, as are the control cables.

    5, The side stand bends.

    6, Almost nothing has a washer on it where needed, mind you, what 'Made in China' product has got washers on its nuts & bolts, must be an expensive item in China!

    7, They DO NOT idle at anything under 2200rpm with out stalling, absolutely no use at all trying to ride down a hill to use engine braking.

    8, Factory suppied chains although 520 'o'-ring failed within the 15 mins of use.

    9, Factory supplied tyres (Kings) are OK but pattern was for very hard compacted conditions, but easily changed to suit of course, tubes were wafer thin push bike jobs.

    10, Yes clutch operation is huge, evidently just a incorrect lever & post selection.

    11, Factory fitment of fuel tap means you can't actually use it (fouls with water hose) so remotely mounting it 1/2" down frame does the trick (are you listening Asiawing ?)

    12, Gear change lever fouls on casing, needs bending/grinding to work.

    13, Test machines were damaged (rads, plastics, lights, throttle, etc)during shipping due to piss poor attention to securing the bike in the frame, once again, 2c worth of steel AND some big washers to bolt to head stay & problem gone, still listening !

    However the 2 sample machines (1 MX version & 1 Enduro) were very kindly loaned by the NZ importer to 'see what we thought', and I have to say as a CRF & WR 450 fan these machines could really be something, bags of power & in a few laps with a long straight were just as quick as a stock 06 CRF450, just the wrong tyres let it down on the day, but they sure sound good.

    As for doing a bit of trail riding...........hopeless, kept stalling at low revs right when you need your wits about you to negotiate a slippery tree root or river crossing...........no lecky start.......kick lever bent.... just great.

    No issues with the suspension, took eveything we threw at them, rumor has it they are in fact manufactured by Ohlins.

    Brakes good, may be pads could do with being a softer compound.

    Frame & rims look really nice, said to be made in Italy, hubs are a bit rough cast looking, spokes & head bearings were all loose on arrival, wonder what it would cost to get the assembly line to spend 10 more mins to tighten, QC chap must have been at lunch again.

    The importer advised me that an upgrade is planned later in the year with the following items'

    1, Proper Mukini carby, with full 'push-pull' throttle assembly
    2, Better tyres
    3, Better chain
    4, Uprated battery (no mention on stater motor)
    5, Better kick levers........wont need em if they sort lecky motor!)
    6, Uprated 41mm single to 48mm twin cartridge shocks (Ohlins)
    7, Air filter may be sourced locally
    8, Revised clutch lever setup, ........why not go hydr ?
    9, Alternative muffler (hopefully a spark arestor) man are they LOUD!

    Overall it still looks like a China bike unless you bling it up a bit, but then the cost is likely to be just under 2/3 of a Honda, but at that rate so is good 2nd hand genuine item !


    We spent several hours one night just seeing what would swap out with a mates 06 CRF 450, well you name it, it fitted............so Asiawing, just sort the typical China bike lack of assembly care, don't use the absolute cheapest of components avail & you may get into gear with them, but don't take too long.

    Due to the low volume of new bikes sold in NZ its probable that stock will be drawn from Oz, where a quicker more constant supply of spares would be available, or just fork out for genuine.

    cheers.
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  6. #26 Re: ASIAWING LX450 
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    Thanks for the review, nothing seems surprising, glad that the shocks, and brakes were good enough.

    As time passes the Chinese are improving their game gradually, from year to year. They are still years behind the Japanese, and I would, and most Chinese hardcore riders even would prefer 2nd hand Japanese over new Chinese every time. Maybe eventually the Chinese may be able to manufacture to a mid-90's level, wait a few years. They've come a long way...but they still have a long way to go!
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    Indeed... still a long way to go. Too bad to hear the list of detailed problems on the 450... smells like more shortcuts and skimping on components thinking everyone is too stupid to notice.

    They really got to stop underestimating their target market. It's not only bad for sales but even a little insulting to some.

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    Is there any new info on this bike out there?
    Anybody still riding this?
    Did Asiawing fix some or any of those issues?

    I'm really happy with my Shineray X2, but a little displacement upgrade would be nice
    ..and I don't consider the X5.

    Did I miss any other real options for a ~400-500cc enduro bike?
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  9. #29 Re: ASIAWING LX450 
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    As far as I can tell Asiawing started with the best of intentions and recruited some reasonable talent. Then either the management changed or some hideous cost-cutting or personnel changes happened and by 2010 had their reputation as a seriously sub-par copy brand fully established. The consensus is to avoid Asiawing. Maybe that is unfair because nobody knows who their bikes are these days.

    If I were you wait for 2014. The new CFMOTO 650 enduro or some of the probable Chinese made KTMs coming from the same factory.
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    It is always something on the horizon…the LX450 will never evolve they can only sell those in china and on the down low for export, Honda probably sends them legal letters all year long and they probably sputter and puff about it. Bet they never mention that to their distributors, that they have been warned to stop manufacturing a Honda design. In china they likely can convince a court that it being blue makes it different. But the rest of the world or at least in most markets its seen as an illegal copy. That sort of puts damper on its potential to be sold and where it can be sold.


    If they had any real talent or skill then they could be an OEM like CFMOTO is and garnering some real respect. But they have some problems too and have been served some legal letters as well. But they may have the ability to negotiate out of theirs, they certainly were able to negotiate with KTM.


    I believe your likely to see Shineray become much more legitimate in the coming years. It likely is to become a legitimate line of dirt bikes and be able to supply them with good prices into China?


    Many of the Chinese manufactures are going to have problems with intellectual and design rights, they should be careful as that bad air will linger.
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