Adventure Motorcycle Magazine Subscribe Now

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 48

Hybrid View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #1 Chinese engine identification 
    Honorary C-Moto Guru
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Gijon, Asturias, Northern Spain
    Posts
    580
    Does anybody know how to interpret Chinese engine model reference numbers?.

    I know the first numbers appear to indicate capacity, but sometimes the number changes not because of different displacement but to indicate that it has a balancer. What do the letters mean, for example on a number like 156FMI?

    So far I have this for the prefix numbers:

    139 is 50 cc
    147 is 90 cc
    150 is 100 cc
    152 is 125 cc horizontal engine (Honda Cub type)
    154 is 125 cc " "
    156 is 125 cc vertical or sloping single (Honda CG125 type)
    157 is 125 cc vertical with balance shaft
    161 is 150 cc
    162 is 180 cc
    169 is 200 cc
    Jincheng Monkey JC50Q-7
    Skyteam Dax replica ST110-6
    Zongshen ZS125-43
    Qingqi QM200GY-BA Super Motard
    Qingqi QM110GY
    Reply With Quote  
     

  2. #2  
    Senior C-Moto Guru humanbeing's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Posts
    1,482
    Already posted once at chinariders BUT got deleted. I need time to translate to ENG again manually.
    The standard for M/c engine is QC/T 253-1998

    Machine translated text:
    Motorcycles and mopeds Engine Model methodology
    QC / T 253-1998
    State Administration of Machinery Industry 1998-07-13 approved the implementation of 1999-01-01
    -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------
    1 Scope

    This standard provides motorcycles and mopeds with engine (hereinafter referred to as engines) Model methodology.

    2 reference standards

    The following standards contain provisions, through reference in this standard constitute the provisions of this standard. Time of publication of this standard, as shown in both versions have
    Efficiency. All of the standard will be amended to use the standards of the parties should explore the possibility of using the latest version of the following criteria possibilities.
    GB / T 725-1991 Product name and model of the internal combustion engine preparation rules
    GB / T 5375-1998 models of motorcycles and mopeds methodology

    3 Definition of Terms

    The criterion used by the following definitions
    3.1 natural air-cooled engine
    Use of the natural flow of the air-cooled engine cylinder and gas cylinder head, such as engine parts.
    3.2 forced air-cooled engine
    Fan generated by the mandatory use of mobile air-cooled engine cylinder and gas cylinder head, such as engine parts.

    4 Model methodology

    Engine Model by Arabic numerals (hereinafter referred to as figure) and the Chinese phonetic alphabet (hereinafter referred to letters) component. Engine Model followed including
    The following four parts:

    4.1 Department: Product features of the code for the enterprise or product line, code-named code-named, with more than three capital letters do not express, on behalf of one of product lines
    No. subject to the industry focal point for Standardization approved the record.
    4.2 Central: a few symbols from the cylinder, cylinder layout of the form of symbols, stroke symbols, bore symbols. Cylinder with one of several symbols that figure. Cylinder
    Path symbols with cylinder diameter (mm) express integer. Symbols and layout of the form of cylinder-stroke symbols, respectively, according to Tables 1 and 2 requirements.

    Table 1-cylinder arrangement of symbols

    Symbolic meaning
    Unsigned oblique single-cylinder, multi-cylinder in-line oblique
    V V-type
    P Horizontal
    Table 2-stroke symbols

    Symbolic meaning
    Unsigned four-stroke engine
    E Two-Stroke Engine

    4.3 rear
    The rear of the characteristics of symbols from the cooling mode, the engine uses the characteristics of symbols and the name of the engine displacement symbols. Cooling characteristics of symbols according to Table 3 Regulation
    Set.

    Table 3 Characteristics Symbol cooling method

    Symbolic meaning
    Unsigned water-cooled
    F natural air-cooled
    Q forced air-cooled
    Y oil-cooling

    4.3.1 Characteristics of the engine uses symbols: fixed for the letter "M".
    4.3.2 the name of the engine displacement symbols: According to GB / T 5375-1998 on behalf of the provisions of division of displacement, according to the provisions of Table 4 letters.
    4.4 tail
    Tail for the design and modified code. Design code to use Arabic numerals 1,2,3 ... ... followed by express order of engine design, when design, code-named 1
    Can be omitted. Modified code to use capital letters A, B, C, D ... ... followed by express order of the original engine type modifications. Design and modified code to use symbols "-"
    And in front of symbols separated.

    Table 4 on behalf of emission symbols

    Symbol symbol engine displacement engine the name of the name of displacement
    A <50 N 300
    B 50 P 350
    C 60 Q 400
    D 70 R 500
    E 80 S 600
    F 90 T 650
    G 100 U 700
    H 110 V 750
    I 125 W 800
    J 150 X 900
    K 175 Y 1000
    L 200 YG 1100
    M 250 YL ≥ 1200

    5 Model Example
    Example 1: single-cylinder, oblique style, four-stroke, bore 57.3mm, natural air-cooled, motorcycle used, the nominal capacity 125mL, 2nd design
    Engine model: 157FMI-2

    Example 2: Chongqing Huawei Industrial Co., Ltd. Production of single-cylinder, oblique style, four-stroke, bore 47mm, natural air-cooled, motorcycle used, the nominal
    Displacement 90mL, 1st design engine models are: HW147FMF

    Example 3: K series, single-cylinder, oblique style, four-stroke, bore 57mm, natural air-cooled, motorcycle used, the nominal capacity 125mL, 1st
    The design of the engine model K157FMI
    Attached Files
    Last edited by humanbeing; 02-24-2009 at 01:53 AM.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  3. #3  
    Administrator-tron CrazyCarl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    NoVA
    Posts
    2,538
    Hbing,

    Thanks for re-translating the info... I know that takes a lot of work!

    CC
    ---------------------------------------------------
    Subscribe to the hippest, most happeneing Adventure Motorcycle Magazine around!
    Adventure Motorcycle Dual Sport News Magazine

    Help support MCM!! Buy "The Return - Riding Western China" DVD! -

    http://www.motocyclops.com/buydvd/

    Personal China travel info, photo and video site:

    http://www.carlparker.com

    Reply With Quote  
     

  4. #4  
    Honorary C-Moto Guru
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Gijon, Asturias, Northern Spain
    Posts
    580
    Many thanks humanbeing. I'm amazed that something that useful can be deleted, but I've noticed that chinariders only keep threads for so long. Not a good idea, as a lot of knowledge and tips are lost that way.

    Other forums have an archive so not everything is lost.
    Jincheng Monkey JC50Q-7
    Skyteam Dax replica ST110-6
    Zongshen ZS125-43
    Qingqi QM200GY-BA Super Motard
    Qingqi QM110GY
    Reply With Quote  
     

  5. #5  
    Senior C-Moto Guru humanbeing's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Posts
    1,482
    I think the above text translated by google is readable to native user finally.
    Translation to proper grammar will be done in my spare time slowly.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  6. #6 Re: Chinese engine identification 
    C-Moto Noob
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Cincy, Ohio USA
    Posts
    1
    I have a E22 clone engine with the model # HW139FMB. This thread helped out some, but I can't seem to track down much information. Any additional info would be helpful! Thanks, -65Cub
    Reply With Quote  
     

  7. #7 Re: Chinese engine identification 
    C-Moto Noob
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    Usa
    Posts
    1
    Hi I just got mini chopper and can't figure out what kind of motor it is. Serial number is.. 139FMB*041200028* If anyone knows what cc motor an whether it takes regular gas or with 2-cycle or disel fuel. Help plz
    Reply With Quote  
     

  8. #8 Re: Chinese engine identification 
    C-Moto Guru spencer2004's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Norwich
    Posts
    402
    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin_Phillips View Post
    Hi I just got mini chopper and can't figure out what kind of motor it is. Serial number is.. 139FMB*041200028* If anyone knows what cc motor an whether it takes regular gas or with 2-cycle or disel fuel. Help plz
    1 - One cylinder
    3 - 39mm bore diamater
    9
    F - Air colled
    M - For motorcycle use
    B - 50cc

    A quick Google confirms this and that it's also a 4 stroke. There are 3 varients of this engine shown here.
    http://www.china-parts.co.uk/acatalog/New_Engines.html
    Sinnis Max II (QM125-2V), K157FMI engine (technically a K162FMJ now), 115 main jet, 40 pilot jet, cone air filter, 150cc big bore kit, 17 tooth front sprocket, 30mm carburettor, alarm with remote start, HID spotlights, performance CDI.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  9. #9 Re: Chinese engine identification 
    C-Moto Noob
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    England
    Posts
    2
    Hello: I've acquired a number of engines but cannot decipher who made them or what they are. Can anybody help? The numbers are:
    TZH152FMH 60607091
    IP54FM1 51214377
    LC1P391MA DC009900
    LC152FMI FZ132484
    152FMH 08064827

    It's possible that some with a prefix of 1 could be I or vice versa. Any assistance would be appreciated.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  10. #10 Re: Chinese engine identification 
    C-Moto Guru spencer2004's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Norwich
    Posts
    402
    Quote Originally Posted by Hinckley Triple View Post
    Hello: I've acquired a number of engines but cannot decipher who made them or what they are. Can anybody help? The numbers are:
    TZH152FMH 60607091
    IP54FM1 51214377
    LC1P391MA DC009900
    LC152FMI FZ132484
    152FMH 08064827

    It's possible that some with a prefix of 1 could be I or vice versa. Any assistance would be appreciated.
    TZH - Series or manufacturer
    1 - single cylinder
    52 - 52mm bore diamater
    F - Air cooled
    M - for motorcycle use
    H - 110cc

    IP - Series or manufacturer
    54 - 54mm bore diamater
    F - air cooled
    M - for motorcycle use
    1 - Unknown (if it's an I it's a 125cc)

    LC - Series or manufacturer
    1 - single cylinder
    P - Horizontal bore
    39 - 39mm bore diamater
    1 - unknown, could be part of the bore diamater number meaning that it's 39.1mm
    M - for motorcycle use
    A - less than 50cc

    LC - Series or manufacturer
    1 - single cylinder
    52 - 52mm bore diamater
    F - air cooled
    M - for motorcycle use
    I - 125cc

    1 - single cylinder
    52 - 52mm bore diamater
    F - air cooled
    M - for motorcycle use
    H - 110cc
    Sinnis Max II (QM125-2V), K157FMI engine (technically a K162FMJ now), 115 main jet, 40 pilot jet, cone air filter, 150cc big bore kit, 17 tooth front sprocket, 30mm carburettor, alarm with remote start, HID spotlights, performance CDI.
    Reply With Quote  
     

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Bookmarks
Bookmarks
Posting Permissions
  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •