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  1. #11 Re: Lifan Manufacturer Links 
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    It needs a pull system, not a push.
    Dealer are established after the sale not to sell to, dealers become service centers.
    This only works for low cost entry level bikes under $3K most under $2K that would be a credit card purchase. Low or no interest financing to set payments up at the point of purchase, even insurance.
    The customer are young people that are looking for a first bike, cheap and stylish fun to ride. Not for the highway or interstate, for riding around town. Most get bored and then want something larger and more powerful. Then that decision and what to buy weighs heavy on what they experienced with the intial product, if the next bike is the bigger and faster then they will buy the same brand if they had good luck with it.
    The starter bike can be resold if it was well made and maintained, that’s resale if high gets applied to the next level bike. If it fell part and or is considered worthless, then why would they stay with that brand. Tracking the VINS and even reselling activity demonstrates reselling values. What are they deprecating at 50% annually? How long do they last? These are all real metric that modern technology can track.
    The key is that of the use of codes and relational databases, activity driven basically process driven.
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    Your idea about preferred vendor shops to act as means of distributing bikes without having to take on inventory is a great idea and makes plenty of sense. Hell, the do it with tires, why not bikes!?


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  3. #13 Re: Lifan Manufacturer Links 
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    The trading companies selling to the US need to be stopped, the factories should be maintaining inventory here in a warehouse based on internet sales.
    One central distributor that has criteria for the bikes they market direct to consumers and through dealers established after the point of sale.
    Each bike would have to have a build ID and related online parts tables and schematics. Those are tiered tables that everyone would be able to access, with a VIN# and Dealer ID# and a registered password.
    Every manufacturer would get its own website store, separate URLs but all running on a common set of data tables. All the orders processed at the central distributor, that have account managers that call into the area to build the dealer/service center relationships.
    The manufacturer sets the prices, the distributor gets a fee, the dealer gets a fee. The manufacturer cover the warranty and cover parts costs. They must meet the distributors lead times and also reliability ratings.
    So each unit has a VIN and within that it can code a build ID and that could link to a parts data set and that linked to a shopping cart. The parts tracked on the VIN and builds a record set for each model.
    To get bikes in the system then it would have to go through stringent testing. On road off road testing.
    One high-tech distributor handling universal brands, it decides who it lets in and tracks the quality.
     
     
     
     
     
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  4. #14 Re: Lifan Manufacturer Links 
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    Its currently a push system and should be a pull system.
    The real markets combined are common sales for domestic china and the US that is about 200cc and 250cc, the high end domestic market and low end US market.
    The US sales would be internet sales pulling inventory into a common universal distributor.
    That distributor would differentiate the marketing as it would set up the websites for each manufacturers product line, however the products would all have to be approved and meet strict criteria set by the distributor.
    VIN numbers and coded data within them.
    Data sets and documentation for parts and online access to order those.
    Each part would require a supplier code and part number. That data would be of a set universal format that would be entered into indexed and coded as common data tables. That’s sort of like what Murray’s uses or AutoZone uses, in this type system they would use a VIN number to see the specific parts of a bike. But that would also create a data table for just that bike, its all relational data, some is only a view and then some things are active and feed other data tables. Its all based on parents (primary) and children (secondary) fields. They link and form tiers and a network that share access with interfaces on the web.
    That type of data can do compilations, like reliability metrics for a model or part or even overall for a part supplier.
    I hear distributors talking about entering part numbers by hand? I want to say your fired!
    If the info was typed on paper once then it should have been entered into a data table. One side is using an abacus and the other a chisel and stone tablet? Its a common problem with manufacturing.
    Then they have all the “groups” and then militaristic theocrats buying complex solutions from the pricey solution providers.
    Its actually the Qlink model which is the best, however I added to it, I am expanding it to an ideal system.
    But Qlink falls short, they are branding and they should not, they should replicate what they created and collect up all the major manufacturers. Then consolidate the sales into geographic areas and assigned dealers. It's not about competition its more about economy of scale and volume.
    Lifan, Zongshen, Qingqi, Shenke, Shineray, HSUN, Jialing, Wonjan, Bashan and others all would have a web store. They would only be able to list products that were tested and approved, ones that met all the strict criteria the distributor set. Any manufacturer could submit products but only the best would get accepted.
    The dealers would receive fees and the fees set for each unit in advance, they would be guaranteed a geographic area.
    Qlink is the best…but its only a prototype Roketa is the biggest and the worst, SUNL is not much better. The consumer does not need to see the distributor only the web store interface and information about the manufacturer and the QC used. Then let word of mouth do its magic or damage, but if each product was tested and tracked it would be easy to do. All service center would do is enter a VIN and select an action or transaction it would all get recorded. A part ordered, a warranty claim….
    That could allow for a MYVIN web interface, each bike could get its own web page interface, it could be customized record you experiences and access your info and even get promotional info. Even be able to sell it or accept offers to buy it. Wow how about dealer to dealer transfers for used bikes? You live in Texas I live in Ohio I drop the bike off at my dealer and then it gets shipped to your dealer in Texas.
    I could and do go on and on…..lets see if anyone bites.
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    Hi everyone,

    Sorry Im completely new to the chinese market, but I would like to know if its posible to buy any of these chinese brands in Beijing, or they all have to be ordered form Chongqing. I have benn living in Beijing for 4 months but havent seen any of the dealers shops. In Spain though, I used to see lifan motorcycles in some shops.

    Thanks ahead.
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    http://www.lifan.com/Service/dealer.html
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    thanks for the info!
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