Motorcycles 125cc-250cc to also face a ban in 2016?

[RyanDuke390]

I read an article about how all gas scooters with be banned soon in Shanghai.
http://www.echinacities.com/news/Sha...ooters-by-2016


But that leaves the question, what about motorcycles?

This opens the debate to what really matters in the pollution debate. There is a lot of confusing misconceptions out there.
For one, cars pollute more then scooters.
http://motorscooterguide.net/Article...than-cars.html

Taken from the article above,...
"Figuring out carbon (aka carbon dioxide or CO2) emissions is easy because you just have to look at how much fuel you’re burning. If a scooter burns less gas then a car then it’s producing less carbon than a car. Simple. So virtually every scooter produces less carbon than even the best cars. The biggest maxi scooters tend to be about on par with fuel efficient hybrids, as they both achieve about 45 mpg and thus produce similar carbon. Thus the claim that scooters are worse is dead in its tracks if you’re referring to carbon pollution and climate change."

Unless your talking about 2 stroke scooters,... those can pollute as much as a car but they are phasing out as no one manufactures them now since they are old tech.

The other thing is not all 4 stroke scooters are equal. Honda puts catalytic converters on their scooters before the exhaust gets to the muffler. This combined with automatic engine shut off start throttles for stop n go really puts them in a class of their own. I believe gas scooters can work in a highly populated city and still have blue skies, if other pollution contributing factors are handled.
Newer electric scooters are ideal, not the slow ones but the ones equal to a real 125cc. SH should look into a way of allowing and plating a high powered electric scooter to be allowed to ride in the other lane with gas counterparts. A Scooter such as this one http://www.gogoro.com/ In Taiwan you can see these riding the road as fast and as normally as the 125cc gas counterparts.

I have a feeling the biggest contributing factor in air pollution in SH are the factories. Even ones far away can catch down-winds or drifts into the city. If SH really wants to tackle it's air pollution problem it needs to push it's factories much further away from the city.
Now with Disneyland opening up it looks like they are doing just that.
http://qz.com/497132/china-will-clos...as-blue-skies/

The next problem for SH after it pushes all it's factories back are the high % of cars driving around with horrible exhaust muffler systems. I have seen tons of buses and cars there last time with pillowing amounts of white/black smoke coming out from burned out mufflers and cats no longer filtering any carbon emissions. This should be a big fine. Maybe they cracked down on this since last time I was out there (2012)

The last problem are normal cars polluting the air. Hybrids obviously pollute a lot less in a stop n go environment like SH.
What would make a HUGE difference in the air in SH would to make a law like after 2016 all SH plated cars must be hybrids.
That would make a HUGE difference and really clear the air in SH.
But, banning 125cc four stroke scooters in SH will most likely result in minimal results since truly they are not the main source of the problem, especially the hybrid honda scooters which pollute next to nothing.

Again tackle the problem at the source.
Cars and factories, not gas scooters.
Hybrids come in all shapes and sizes from SUV's to Porsche supercars and Ferrari hybrids.
There is a hybrid out for everyone's tastes including those wanting to show off.

To really get blue skies in SH it's a no-brainer make hybrids the only type of cars allowed in the SH area.
Push the factories out a good 500+ kilometers away from the city.
But banning 125cc gas four stroke gas scooters in the city? That would most likely result in the air index quality going from and unhealthy 170 to an unhealthy 163 or something.

Just restrict and reduce the pollution from the 2 biggest contributing factors and be done with it. Simple. Just my 2 cents.

[ZMC888]

[RANT]
Chinese bans aren't about logic. They are simply excuses to ban other vehicles (than cars) from the road. A tyranny of perceived hierarchy. You see China is a 'harmonious society'. 'Harmonious society' means what the mega rich douches and Communist (hyper capitalist authoritarians) want or get fucked. They like cars, can't understand why, but they do, encourage more cars get more gridlock, blame every other vehicle than themselves. You see in China the past must not embarrass the present by being better (that's why all antiques and old buildings are smashed), motorcycles, scooters, ebikes and bicycles trigger this thought pattern of the past. See, China is a country of continual change and 'progression', even if the progression is retarded by logical thought. People being different by liking bicycles and motorcycles is non harmonious as they are different and must naturally be attacked at every opportunity, the same way the majority of Chinese people hate on disabled people and try to lock them away from view.

Talk to any car driver they'll say 'I got stuck in a traffic jam', they'll never say 'I helped cause a traffic jam', that's the issue the denial and the obvious laziness, entitlement and selfish narcissism that that comes with car ownership 'we are the majority, we are right, others are to blame'. Just like a cigarette smoker in a bar, it's the fault of the non-smokers for being annoyed that they have to passive smoke.

So fact is, everyone is always under attack. Motorcycles and scooters are just the next in the cross-hairs. They already attacked 3-wheelers, trucks then after that they'll go after e-bikes, then fixie bicycles, then bicyclists that yield and continue at red lights even when there is obviously nothing coming, the 20kmh bicycle speed limit will then have to be reinforced (yes it exists), bicycle number plates and car like fines for bicycles, compulsory helmets, insurance and bells (to make it fairer for car drivers).

Until the end. The billionaire/autocrats future wet dream and the normal person's dystopian future nightmare. The uber big black limo on the road on it's own and the plebs on the bus or subway. I'm sure there's already an anime of this exact future dystopia.
[/RANT]