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  1. #11 Re: Motorcycle YTD Statitics 
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    make P15/Q4 P16/Q4 E15 E16 YTD p change YTD E change Domestic D% E%
    Senke 20,628 24,589 20,262 24,382 19.20% 20.33% 207 0.84% 99.16%

    Senke has nearly abandoned the domestic market or they are seeking to start domestic sales?

    Their production is up and is nearly 100% exported.

    Overall sales of 250cc models, for the entire industry, are up nearly 10% for the first quarter 2016, increased over 25% for the month of April 2016, seasonality, sales of 250cc models will hit records if the trend, and it likely will, persists.

    Senkes success is likely due to its release of its Raptor and it being sold in the UK as a Lexmoto as well as in Poland as a Romet.


    Senke developed a very intriguing 300cc model they call the T-Leopard, intended for export.
    That model may actually be better suited for Domestic sales.

    I believe that both Romet and Lexmoto failed at taking these decent offerings to the next level.
    Romet could have offered both of these under its recently acquired Zipp brand as Lexmoto could have offered these under its Pulse Brand.
    Neither seems interested in taking up the SK300, setting the SK125 up under a different brand then following it with a 300cc version would have gotten attention.

    If they want to increase the A2 sales, then it would be best done by offering a logical next step model and in alignment of brand differentiation. Since Romet and Lexmoto both already have the built infrastructure of a dealer support network, then differentiate offerings by brand and in that offer OEM specific lines within that.
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  2. #12 Re: Motorcycle YTD Statitics 
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    Dalong 81,339 72,003 NA NA -11.48% NA NA NA NA

    Dalong is listed at 16th in the 2016 list of top 50 producers.

    Dalong, translates to Big Dragon, goes also by Jinan Motorcycle Industry Company.

    Dalong was separated from the Qingqi Group, it sells under at least 15 different brands and exports to over 30 countries. One brand name is Pioneer

    The Qingqi Group no longer exists, it was restructure with Jinan Qingqi retaining the brand name.
    The remaining group part named Dalong.

    It has been reported on more then a few occasions that products manufactured by Dalong have been exported using the WMI assigned for Jinan Qingqi.

    When the restructuring occurred, both new companies retained the technology, however the brand name Qingqi is exclusive to the Jinan Qingqi manufactured models.

    The little classic GS125 variant is manufactured by both manufactures.
    As is their DR200 variant, with either the Jinan Qingqi Suzuki GS125/150/250 engines.
    These products are distributed across the globe and sold under many brands.
    For example, the Dalong versions are sold through lexmoto in the UK.
    The Qingqi version offered through Sinnis.
    It does not stop there, HMC, Mash and others offer the same models.
    In the USA the Dual purpose is offered under the brand SSR and the classic offered through CCW. The SRR uses a Qingqi 249cc OHC engine and the CCW Classic diverges from all the others offering its version with a 229cc OHV engine manufactured by Lifan.

    It is not clear were the cooperation between the two entities begins and ends, other than Jinan Qingqi is the source of all the Suzuki engines both offer, it is not clear how the Automobile Association of China counts exports other than their published statistics list reveals the top 50 producers and exporters. In that Dalong is listed as a top producer and not as a top exporter.

    I am not certain, however Dalong may be under investigation for falsification of issuing certificates used to count sales within the domestic market. I believe these certificates are utilized to gain government rebates by end purchasers and primarily as an incentive to those in rural areas. The rebates reduce the final purchase price and also bolster sales. Investigations revealed inconsistencies in some counting methods. The historic restructuring of the once Qingqi Group was the result of what I believe was an investigation into fiscal improprieties within the group.
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  3. #13 Re: Motorcycle YTD Statitics 
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    Dihao NA NA 10,250 4,758 NA -53.58% NA NA NA

    Listed as 47th of the top 50 exporters, not listed in top 50 production.

    Lexmoto dropped two of their lowest priced models, that were manufactured by DIHAO “low consumption”. Dihao offers models under the brand Haotion, the discontinued models were the Arrow and Vixen.
    Romets subsidiary brand in Poland named Zipp offers the once Lexmoto Arrow as their Maniac 125.
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    FOSHAN FOSTI MOTORCYCLE MANUFACTURING CO., LTD.
    This manufacturer does not show up on either the top 50 producers or exporters lists, manufactures FOSTI, ZNEN, FXD series motorcycles.
    Their F31 model is being imported by Lexmoto as their ZSA 125 and by the Polish brand Junak as their 126, also all of the Junak 122 models are soured through Fosti as well as their 127.
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    Wonjan 30,342 31,052 8,714 7,235 2.34% -16.97% 23,817 76.70% 23.30%
    P10/Q4 P11/Q4 E10 E11 YTD p change YTD E change Domestic D% E%
    Wonjan 21,448 27,496 4,881 9,217 28.20% 88.83% 18,279 66.48% 33.52%
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    13% -27%

    Comparing Q1 2011 to Q1 2016, Wonjans total production is up 13% and exports are down 27%.
    Since 2011 Wonjan has decreased the amount of total production that is exported by 10%.

    Wonjan offers a copy of the Suzuki Volty, they offer it with a 150cc engine.

    7,689.00 CNY = 1,167.32 USD

    Then offer its with a 249cc engine.

    17,604.00 CNY = 2,671.92 USD


    Wonjan created two subpar renditions of some Ducati models, these got attention but not in any good way.
    I personally would love to know how many they have sold since introduction and also read any reviews of the bikes.
    They are powered by a 300cc double overhead four valve engine, that Wonjan sources from Loncin, the engine is a copy of a Kawasaki.
    They are sold in China, I have yet to see any exports.
    21,000.00 CNY = 3,186.84 USD

    The allusion of options, in sales offering too many options overwhelms the consumer, when the option is not real as in contrived then it offends the consumer.
    Within the history of the Chinese society they historically had few options, that resulted in today’s society wanting many options, in that they relish in the options. Were typically a product may have three color choices the Chinese opt for twenty.
    If you consider the Alibaba listing for Wonjan they list each individual model several times. Rather than just listing the ten offerings they create ten pages of duplicate advertisements. The allusion of options, its rather insulting to the sensibility of any potential client.
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    Is this thread informative or what?
    Ask me nothing - I DO NOT speak english. Really...
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