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#11 Re: Newbie from Ohio,USA12-05-2016, 05:07 AM
I am signing up for a 19 day tour of Thailand and Vietnam tomorrow with my wife and a friend. We will leave February 14. They will fly back home, and I will stay for a while. My plan is to buy a bike and ride Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam. I think about 3 weeks. Then I want to go to China and ride for a month. I think I would need to sell the bike and buy another in China. I've read that there is a border where people have taken their bikes into China from Vietnam. I don't know if it would be worth the chance. And I hope I can figure a way to get a temporary license.
Someone told me that there are police check points at province borders in China. If that is true, that would make riding illegally very difficult. Can anyone confirm if that is true. I really want to ride and see China. I would risk some minor fines to do it. Wouldn't want to risk jail time in a foreign country.
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#12 Re: Newbie from Ohio,USA12-05-2016, 05:11 PM
Hi Doogle.
I am one of a few members om MCM who travels to Thailand from China on a Motorbike every year and I have done this for the last 4 years now.
But this year new rules have been introduced with regards to foreign plated cars/bikes entering Thailand.
which makes it nearly as hard to ride a foreign plated bike to Thailand as it is likewise to China ?
Now you are saying to wish to ride a motorbike into Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam and China.
IMO it's best to start off in Thailand with a purchase of a bike
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Many 2nd hand bikes are available for sale, but the problem you will have is getting the bike out off Thailand because unless the Green Book (owners registration) is in your name then you will need a load of paperwork to allow you (none Owner) to leave Thailand with the bike.
Also, the bike is only allowed to stay out the country for 30 Days.
Getting into Laos on a foreign plated bike let it be Thailand or Chinese is easy done it loads of times now.
Getting into Cambodia can be problematic and depends on what border you cross over and normally you are restricted to the area just over the border.
Now let's say you have got out of Thailand ok and into Laos then would you come back into Thailand and entry Cambodia from Thailand?
Vietnam is like China you need a Vietnam Driving licence to ride legally.
So IMO Vietnam is out unless you book a tour guide and ride a bike from Vietnam with the tour company arranging a Vietnam D.L.
Now would you get a Vietnam plated bike into China ?
A big NO China and Vietnam are not the best of friends at the moment but I am sure locally around the border crossing both Chinese and Vietnam bike do cross but these will strictly be contained to that area.
Now with China, you will not be able to get a foreign plated bike into China unless you are on a pre-arranged tour full stop.
But I see no reason that you can't buy a bike in China which is legally plated and insured.
But you run the risk of not having a legal Chinese D.L.
In 7 years I have only been asked once to produce my Chinese D.L.
and that is with passing through 100 of police/Army checkpoints.
But it only takes 1 policeman to ask and if he is a bad dude you are in DEEP SHIT.
You asked about checkpoints at Province borders ?.
YES do have but normally only on the main roads
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With the new rules for foreign plated bike to get into Thailand
open this link ....... http://www.rideasia.net/motorcycle-f...-into-Thailand
There are 10 pages to read on this matter.
I hope I have answered most of your question and please come back with further question if you need to.
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#13 Re: Newbie from Ohio,USA12-05-2016, 05:34 PM
A Friend of mine called Jan who runs a big motorbike tour company based in Kunming Yunnan province rents motorbikes out and can sort out a tempory Chinese D.L.
Email....... Jan@activechina.com"Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics, even if you win you're still retarded"
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#14 Re: Newbie from Ohio,USA12-06-2016, 05:12 AM
The more I read on this forum the more difficult it seems to be.Especially since I want to ride unescorted. Our land tour will end March 4 in Hanoi. My flight home will be April 15 from Beijing. I will have 6 weeks on my own. I hope most of it will be riding a motorcycle. I would like to ride some in Vietnam first. I am checking rentals in Hanoi now.
I think after that, I would go to Thailand and buy a bike. It sounds like I could take it into Laos and maybe Cambodia. Then I would sell the bike and go to China. I looked at the Active China site and didn't see any motorcycle rentals.
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#15 Re: Newbie from Ohio,USA12-06-2016, 05:46 AM
You need to email Jan he does do rental ok .
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#16 Re: Newbie from Ohio,USA12-06-2016, 07:41 AM
Hi Doogle
Just to give you the heads up I leave Chiang Ria Thailand on about March 24th, 2017 and get a direct flight to Kunming, were I have left my Chinese bike.
After I pick the bike up I will be riding all over Yunnan Province.
You are welcome to tie up with me around these dates and meet me in Kunming and we can sort out a bike with Jan."Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics, even if you win you're still retarded"
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#17 Re: Newbie from Ohio,USA12-06-2016, 09:52 AM
Just spoken to Jan and he told me his rental are not listed on the web site I sent you.
But here is the list to the bikes he has available with prices.
Screenshot_20161206-165133.jpg
prices are hard to read from the picture but here are the prices,
400cc Chinese made enduro bike is $60 US a day based on 7 days rental
250cc Chinese made enduro with pannier bags is $35 US a day based on 7 days"Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics, even if you win you're still retarded"
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#18 Re: Newbie from Ohio,USA12-07-2016, 02:42 PM
We might connect there. I will email Jan. Still not sure if buying or renting is better. So many places I want to see in China. The cost to rent for 3+ weeks and shipping a bike back from Beijing may justify buying a bike. In China, starting in the south and riding north may be better. Maybe it will warm in the mid and northern areas as I head towards Beijing. After riding in Vietnam I want to go to Siem Reap and Phnom Penn. And then to Thailand. The sequence of my destinations isn't important. Just what ever is most efficient.
Last year I was researching riding in China. I read a thread about a guy that did it-MIKA. In 2011 I stayed at Dakar Moto in Buenos Aires for 3 days with a rider named Mika . I emailed him (it was him). I decided it was too risky for me. I don't want to waste time at a border and then possibly be rejected.And he had a Chinese friend to help.
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#19 Re: Newbie from Ohio,USA12-07-2016, 04:15 PM
Buying a bike is one thing .....
Selling it is alot harder many members on MCM have been trying to sell there bikes for a long time and still have the bike.
IMO is best to rent and the shipping cost from Beijing to kumming is about $200. (Ask Jan for a rental and shipping cost ?)
Also I will be riding back to just east of Beijing about the same time as you have to leave.
If you still wish to buy .....
I do have a friend who is selling his CFMoto TR 650 cc on here MCM (BikerDoc) maybe he can sell you the bike and ship it to the location of your choice.
No harm in asking ?
Just one other point you need to consider is if you buy a 2nd hand bike in China it can't be put in your name so when you go to sell it you will have problems because you are not the oringal owner ?
Also if you buy the bike in yunnan and you sell it in Beijing the bike has to go back to yunnan each 2 years to be inspected ?
So for this reason most people normal buy bikes from the same province there live in ?
TIC (This is ChinaLast edited by prince666; 12-07-2016 at 04:42 PM.
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#20 Re: Newbie from Ohio,USA12-09-2016, 04:49 AM
I sent out price requests - and to Jan. Yes, selling could be a problem. But most places I would think you could sell a bike for parts and get at least half the purchase price.
I don't have any route planned yet. I just have a list of places I'd like to see. I didn't know where I would enter China. What does your route look like? I might even see you in Chiang Rai.
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