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Originally Posted by euphonius
Exactly that is also neatly put down in this analysis of the Chinese State owned car manufacturing enterprises, and their lack of success.
Interesting read.
http://www.chinacartimes.com/2012/01...urers-problem/
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Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
Exactly that is also neatly put down in this analysis of the Chinese State owned car manufacturing enterprises, and their lack of success.
Interesting read.
http://www.chinacartimes.com/2012/01...urers-problem/
http://eroidays.com/files/2008/10/smiley-face.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by 998S
Thanks Milton for the work and leadership to move this thru to the ECU upgrade!
Thanks to Eric for your efforts, time and insights!
And thanks to the Jialing Factory guys who flew up to Shanghai from Chongqing to startup my bike, turn it off and provide diagnosis. :jerkoff:
As mentioned, I'm still in the US but will be conducting the upgrade when back in China - can I suggest an early March group ride for ice cream? Get the Ducati prepped Eric!
Well, the Ducati's are always ready ... but if you saw the weather here, you should prefer hot soup over an icecream :)
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Originally Posted by 998S
Then there's this: Chinese Motorcycle Industry Faces Headwinds To which I say: Hahahahahahahaha! Jialing's stock is down!! Hahahaha! How about learning some customer service and marketing skills. Serves you right, morons. 活该！
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February 6 -- China maintained its position as the world's largest motorcycle market for the 18th consecutive year in 2011 when it recorded 1.21 percent and 1.32 percent year-on-year increases in motorcycle production and sales to 27.01 million and 26.93 million units, respectively, reports Securities Daily, citing the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers.
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Despite the gains made last year, the industry was facing huge operating pressures, with total profits down 20 percent from a year earlier to 2.7 billion yuan. This led to motorcycle manufacturers seeking new sources of earnings.
The Chongqing municipality is the base of the motorcycle industry in China, accounting for 33.51 percent of the total industry patents, according to the report.
China Jialing Industrial (600877), a leading Chongqing-based manufacturer of motorcycles, recently issued a profit warning.
The company is forecasting a 2011 loss of 216 million yuan as it was affected by falls in the prices of passenger cars, the ban on motorcycles in some Chinese cities, and a rise in operating costs.
An unnamed analyst at a local brokerage attributed the difficulties faced by Jialing Industrial to the fact that it only has a single product and thus has limited ability to counter market risks. Sales of motorcycles and related parts accounted for 99.98 percent of the company's revenue.
The probability of Jialing Industrial achieving a breakthrough in its optical component business in the short-term is low, according to the report.
The company could increase exports in order to improve its operating performance, said an industry analyst.
However, an employee handling Jialing Industrial's international business, Zhu Xiaoman, said yuan appreciation had a negative impact on exports to the target markets of Africa and South America.
During the first half of 2011, the company generated revenue of 252.66 million yuan from exports, accounting for 19.2 percent of the total. The poor export performance was a major contributor to the Jialing Industrial losses.
According to the report, exports accounted for more close to 50 percent of the revenue earned by industry peer Linhai (600099) in the first half of 2011.
Shares of China Jialing Industrial were unchanged to trade at 5.08 yuan per share at 14:43 today.
Took my JH600 to Eric's this morning for expert's opinion on the ECU upgrade. Eric's has been an impartial third party watching us through our saga struggling with Jialing for resolving the stalling problem. After his test ride with the bike, he reached the same conclusion about the upgrade, which seems to have indeed eradicated the stalling. He also noticed that the bike is now running more smoothly and apparently more powerful than before. I guess based on this I will inform Mr. Liu 刘志东 about the success and pay him for the upgrade.
I also like to point out that Jialing did commit to the following prior to the upgrade in responding to our gripes:
1. it offered 3 sets of upgrade kits with decent discount for the first three guinea pigs brave enough for the undertaking.
2. Should the upgrade fail, it also offered to take back the upgrade kit without charging us.
This is probably the best a state-run Chinese enterprise knows how to behave and care for its customers.
For now at least I am a happy rider again, even in this cold and frequently wet winter.
Cheers!
If I look back at the very first time I entered this discussion (somewhere page 5 or so), we concluded soon that it was fuel related.
Building on that, we tried to optimize the V2.0 ECU on Milton's bike, which worked in a certain way, but limited by the fact that we could not enter the map to make specific changes.
It resulted e.g. in his bike running fine in the -5 to 15 degree outside temperature range, but starting to run worse outside that.
Well, after riding his bike yesterday, I can only confirm that the upgrade is the way to go for anyone who encounters the problems on the V2.0.
It runs smoother at any rpm, and it picks up much stronger in any gear.
We even rode it two-up to my favorite sandwich shop, and it is amazing how it pulls with all the weight on it.
The only downturn might be that it feels it runs out of top end power sooner (anything over 6K rpm), but that is an area you don't want to be too often anyway on a one cylinder.
Specially not with the increased power lower down the line.
So I can fully recommend this modification to anyone who faces the same problems as Milton, or anyone who just fancies the greatest latest...
A great end to a great thread!
Thanks for the update Milton. Really sad to hear about your little incident, but the silver lining is you were largely unhurt.
I am glad that JL made the offer - I had been bugging JL to do this very thing. And, of course, once it decided to ... it never told me. Oh well, I've asked the Beijing service center to see if I can get in on the "guinea pig deal"
As I've said before, I like the JH600 - but the stalling has GOT to be fixed.
Dear Richard,
Really hoping you can get your stalling sorted in the same manner as Milton, and we can reel you back into our happy band of Jialing fellow travelers.
cheers!
Barry and I just received our work-estimate from the Beijing JL disservice center.
2400 rmb (each)
Something's not right.
Will call JL (CQ) next week.
First check to see if the console is part of the package or not. It was in the original kit JL sent to me and I chose not to use it. Perhaps the labor is also included in the quote. Mine was 200 rmb, which was a steal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lao Jia Hou
I believe I was given a decent discount on the parts for my upgrade. Wonder how many guinea pigs are too many to qualify as guinea pigs any more.
Cheers!
Dear Milton,Quote:
Originally Posted by milton
I strongly hope that Jialing are not using you and a few others of us as "guinea pigs" with this 3.0 upgrade path, but rather will offer it to anyone with a 2.0 bike who is suffering with this dangerous stalling problem. To be honest, they should be providing this at no charge at all. If they've used you to test the repair and now will offer it as a paid "upgrade" to everyone else, rather than as an honest repair to a seriously unsafe defective product, they deserve to rot in hell.
How about a progress report on your bike? Still running stall-free? After how many km? As you know, another 2.0 bike goes under the knife tomorrow morning, and we're all hoping for more stall-free outcomes!
Cheers
Dear Euphonius,Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
I am happy to report that so far I have not experienced any stalls. A perfect record of 0 stall for about 1000 km after the upgrade.
Cheers!
Dear Milton,
Wow, that looks like it was money very well spent! Congratulations!
Hope to see you soon. We'll be at Yang Jie's shop tomorrow morning...
cheers
Dear SH brethren:
Barry & I were wondering:
1) exactly what parts are being replaced? I understand that it is the wiring harness, the ECU, and perhaps the gauge console?
2) how much are each of these parts? Are you folks ordering directly from CQ, or through a SH shop?
3) are you folks being charged 200 rmb for labor to R&R?
I am thinking about the possibility that Barry & I can just use my shop, and do this ourselves. Being a gentleman, and a polite Canadian, I would insist that we try Barry's bike first. :icon10:
Merci, mon amis!
I kind of oversaw the exchange on Milton's bike, done by Xiao Fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lao Jia Hou
Basically it is just a swap, which can be done quite easily after removing most of the parts hidding the cable loom (fairing and parts, tank assembly, saddle, rear seat fairing and bag holders (if any)). Good time for a clean though!
However, be carefull, such a cable loom can be quite intimidating ... there is a point where you simply have to remove things first, replacing and re-connecting piece by piece does not work.....If you are able to do that, there is not much else to the whole process.
3 points to notice:
- There was a small issue on the right handle bar switch connector, 2 cable connectors need to be changed.
Xiao Fan checked colors and the electric diagrams.
- On Milton's bike, there was a modification done on his starting relay (right?) in the past.
Connections were reversed that time, and needed to be re-re-re-re-versed :naughty:
- There is a small electric modification needed for the dash (if I remember well, something like reverse a transistor or so).
Wouldn't it be logical to fix the broken/barely working machine first, or did you adept chinese logic over night? And since I only have one bike at the moment, I find it rather annoying not having a bike available at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lao Jia Hou
Perhaps we can offer someone in SH a small fee, to crate and ship Eric to BJ :naughty:
G'day,Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry
Have weekly chilled air-shipments to Beijing from Shanghai and quite sure we can find some free space.......
Dear Beijing brethren,
We have the second JH600 going under the knife as we speak, may actually be finished by now. For a bit of spice, we organized to use a different shop -- one that is actually clean, tidy, organized, well lighted and staffed by professionals who actually work on lots of EFI bikes. We are trying to avoid having a monopoly service arrangement. Fortunately, here in Shanghai the guy who manages our after-sales support does not have a shop. But he manages liaison with Jialing, and we shop for the best service.
We should have a lot more answers to your questions soon.
cheers!
Motokai's Back! :riding:
Yes, per euphonius' above posting, I swapped out the ECU ("version whatever") for a new one ("version new"). As many have been following this saga play out, you'll remember I reached a certain limit with Whack-A-Mole fixes related to the throttle body/ECU and called the factory in CQ demanding a new ECU. Fed up with local Shanghai solution, I wanted to ship my bike to CQ for factory servicing. This is what prompted that [already posted] Jialing boondoggle visit to SH in December to "look" at my bike. This also caused a bit of Chinamoto Gossip Girl drama - it's hard to complain without the metaphorical bus taking someone out along the way.
Well, along with the actions of the coalition of the strong-willed (which includes Milton, Eric, Jeff, LJH, LZD...among others) this prompted Jialing to agree to sell (in another world the opportune word would be "replace") the ECU. You see, this fix needed to be referred to as "paid upgrade", not a recall of course. Call it what you want - I had mine done and I can't be happier.Rode home in the rain STALL FREE. If it wasn't raining, I think I would have just kept riding right into the mountains of Zhejiang (like Moganshan or somewhere). As jaded as I had become, the amount of joy I had on this short ride back home surprised me.
ECU and associated cables: RMB 1,350
Replacement labor: RMB 100
Riding a motorcycle with a smile: PRICELESS
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Eric had asked if I "finally smell fuel" when I start.
I answered: Smells like a motorcycle again!
Are you sure, it's not the smell of rain?Quote:
Originally Posted by MotoKai
Eric did tell me today it finally isn't raining for a change in SH :naughty:
Here in BJ we always have big celebrations when it finally rains :lol8:
And hopefully this thread will soon draw to a close and we'll see some new JH600 threads on RR's & Mods! (See below).
After Barry and LJH get their bikes sorted out, I propose a spring ride in the BJ Mountains. SH JH600s can train up for the weekend.
EDIT: Of course Ducatis are always welcome (just not sure Eric would trust CRE to transport his kids!)
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Originally Posted by MotoKai
Basically my bike is fine, just would like to do the upgrade anyway. Looking forward to meet up with you guys and let's hope I don't have a dead battery this time. :eekers:
Perhaps Eric can ask Inspector Clouseau to have his bike transported to BJ, he can do it in a few hours :riding:
Dear Motokai,Quote:
Originally Posted by MotoKai
Congratulations on your successful "paid upgrade". I wonder how you managed to have only paid 100 rmb for the labor. The cost of things/labor in China always puzzles me. Perhaps Mr. E did all the talking. :naughty:
Ridding JH600 is indeed fun again without the stalling, isn't it? Hope to join your plan for the spring ride.
Cheers!
Dear Motokai,
Just noticed my Sichuan trip was not on your list of ride reports involving JH600:
http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/sh...to-Gongga-Shan
I had great fun with my JH600 in that trip.
Cheers!
Truus .... :naughty:Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry
--> Actually the labor cost was only RMB 80 (I rounded up so that you wouldn't feel so bad - but seems this still got to you).Quote:
Originally Posted by milton
But I did gave him a big tip on top of the RMB 80. [Please keep this low price between us two girls, okay?]
--> Updated!! You're on top of the RR section now.Quote:
Originally Posted by milton
China is the last bastion of no-tip economy. Please stop polluting it with your bad foreign influences.Quote:
Originally Posted by MotoKai
I confess. I am guilty of tipping when my western sensibilities overcome me.
Maybe I need to change-out the Motokai profile pic/avatar to this one:
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