Legal bikes discovered post-C3 emissions rules

Dear Fahni and Michemouche,

Welcome both of you to the forum. As noted in these threads in recent months, China's vast motorcycle industry basically has been scrambling for the past year to bring its various models into compliance with the China3 standards, which were imposed in the manner you'd expect in an authoritarian country -- in one fell swoop, and with no mercy. Why it's taking so long for the 250cc and up bikes to come into compliance is anyone's guess, but odds are good that this is a relatively low priority, given the continuing popularity of smaller displacement bikes both in China and around the world. Bikes in the 400cc and above class are an even lower priority, since China's major players have been playing the OEM game in recent years and have little branded skin in the game internationally, while those bigger bikes are still not very popular here inside China.

But they can't just drop these bikes because of the stricter emissions standards, so it's a safe bet that most if not all of these bikes -- the Shinerays, Qingqis, Galaxies, CFMotos and the rest -- will eventually roll out their China3 updates. Just don't be holding your breath.

I'm still curious whether an existing pre-China3 bike can be transfered. Logic would dictate that they are viable, and transferrable, through the mandatory junking date listed on the registration. In other words, there should be China2 bikes out there to buy, if you don't want to wait for the new China3 bikes.

The Jialing JH600 is compliant today, and has been since the middle of last year. But it's always had EFI so the transition required less engineering.

cheers

my Chinese is worse, but I'm looking forward to hear the news

Hi to all of you!

I understand that engines with carb can not be re-engineered into EFI ones overnight but the industry should have seen new developments coming and be prepared, don't you think? Then on the other hand if you consider the newest enforcements of the restrictions on ebikes, changes in regulations and enforcement really happen very quick...

Anyway, as LJH has pointed out to me in a PM (thanks), EICMA is coming up and will be a perfect opportunity to talk to manufacturers and other bike fanatics about the current situation, new engine designs in the pipeline and potential rollout dates.

Euphonius, if I understand you correctly, you are also not 100% sure the registration of a 2nd hand C2 bike can be transferred to a new owner? That would have been my plan B but now I am unsure of what to do. Not sure if my Chinese is good enough to get some relaible info from some official source...

Let's see, what news this thread and EICMA will bring...

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Originally Posted by fahni

...Euphonius, if I understand you correctly, you are also not 100% sure the registration of a 2nd hand C2 bike can be transferred to a new owner? That would have been my plan B but now I am unsure of what to do. Not sure if my Chinese is good enough to get some relaible info from some official source...

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Dear Fahni,

I did not by any means intend to cast doubt on the idea of transferring ownership/registration of an existing and legal China2-compliant bike, but I just haven't heard of a specific case of this being done. My sense is that there is no reason why it would not be allowed, since those bikes have a legal document allowing them to be used in China until their mandatory scrapping date (强制报废期止). I'd just like to see some actual evidence in the wild!

Has anyone in this forum successfully transfered a pre-China3 bike to another owner since the China3 emission regulations came into effect?

cheers!

Been to the EICMA motor show on Sat. Not much news on C3 bikes. Most bikes from chinese manufacturers on display were either <150 or for export so definetly not C3 compliant. The only exception was Qinqi who had a QM200GY on display which is oil-cooled with EDI. They said they are awaiting government approval and C3 sticker by the end of this month. All other manufacturers said their C3 bikes would be ready no sooner than end of this year.

hey fahni, I was also on the EICMA, quite dissapointing, no long march and the only answeers were "i don't know". Do you mean the white Qingqi that was standing separetly? It was the only bike that interested me, I sat on it and it felt good even thought I'm almost 2m tall. They told me the price is 13k but they had no information about C3 and if I can register it in BJ. They said somethin like they sell only bikes smaller than 150 localy.

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Originally Posted by filipu

hey fahni, I was also on the EICMA, quite dissapointing, no long march and the only answeers were "i don't know". Do you mean the white Qingqi that was standing separetly? It was the only bike that interested me, I sat on it and it felt good even thought I'm almost 2m tall. They told me the price is 13k but they had no information about C3 and if I can register it in BJ. They said somethin like they sell only bikes smaller than 150 localy.

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Yep, the white one. Price is 13K. No C3 sticker on the bike but definetly has EDI so should get the approval soon. Felt ok.
I will go for a 2nd hand bike though. I am a new rider and will use a cheap 2nd hand 150cc to get some practice, then see what models come out during winter, make up my mind and then get exactly what I want.

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Originally Posted by euphonius

Has anyone in this forum successfully transfered a pre-China3 bike to another owner since the China3 emission regulations came into effect?

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It is not a problem to transfer ownership/registration of a pre-China3 bike, as long as that bike was legally registered and its inspections are up-to-date (typical stuff). The original 11 year schedule remains intact.

The issue is new bikes attempting to get the initial 11 year registration - those bikes now require China3.

I was also at EICMA last weekend with some MCM members and there was general concurrence that it was less-than-expected, and not as good as last year's. Interestingly, the official exhibitor list itemized several major bike & parts manufacturers who were not there. I read some gossip over on another forum that something "unpleasant" happened in the lead-up to the show, and several exhibitors pulled out. It only had one of the three halls open, despite the other two obviously being prepped for displays.

Nevertheless, ANY bike show is better than no bike show, IMHO. There were a few interesting items that I'll try to get organized into a separate thread. What caught my eye, as an owner of both the 2 wheeled and 3 wheeled versions, was the brand new JH600 model. More to come when I get my pics organized.

Are these C3 restrictions for motorcycles through out the whole of China ?

I try to contact Qingqi about C3. By the way. Does it look too small? YEs it does, damm

What happens with your feet on the pegs? If your knees hit your chin, it's too small!

Wonder if you could get a thicker seat.

Great looking bike, though!

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Originally Posted by bigdamo

Are these C3 restrictions for motorcycles through out the whole of China ?

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Well, in theory, they are. But I'd guess that some places are "flexible".

They had another really nice motorbike in the catalogue, more like touristic enduro but they said st like its only for the export. I'll try to post a photo from catalogue later.

Hi filipu,

good, please do not hesitate to share if you have any output of your conversation with Qinqi

I will check with Galaxy also, as, as expected, "the month" took much longer

Most chinese bikes do look like quite small in term of design. Qinqi looks a bit fatter than the XTR/TGR though

@michemouche, you also want to buy sth like 250 enduro? I didnt get ny reply for my email from Qingqi, I ll ask my friend to give them a call

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Originally Posted by Lao Jia Hou

Well, in theory, they are. But I'd guess that some places are "flexible".

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The national standard is C3 some areas like Beijing are supposed to be C4, so variation would not be less then the national but can only be stricter.

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Originally Posted by filipu

I didnt get ny reply for my email from Qingqi, I ll ask my friend to give them a call

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Don't feel bad about it. You're not the first. The dealers never answered me, and plenty of people try to contact who try to Qingqi directly find it difficult. The unlucky ones get through, and one MCM member even paid for his bike ... he's still waiting, tomorrow, tomorrow.. . Lookup mcm member Felix ..

Actually i just received my qingqi last week!

Love the bike, still hate qingqi....

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Originally Posted by filipu

@michemouche, you also want to buy sth like 250 enduro? I didnt get ny reply for my email from Qingqi, I ll ask my friend to give them a call

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Definitely looking for one, and spending my time trying to find some informations and hoping something will be available soon

I am not so much enduro : love dirt bikes ... but with slick tires :)

If I have any news on my side, I'll let you know

maybe felix will provide us some info. do you know anything about qm250gy-2D?:gun_bandana:
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on the expo i was told that its a bike only for export, but its hard to trust them;)

Bloody nice panniers!

I'm afraid i have no info about that bike. They are making it for sure because one member from south america said they were on sale in his country, i can't remember under which brand though. Don't hold your breath for any qingqi bikes, they've been promising that 250 since 2009 and still can't get their shit together...

ok, i'm getting frustrated, 8 months in beijing and i still dont have a bike. so there is no chinese bike kind of qingqi gm200 that you can easily buy and register in beijing for the moment? any safe place to buy a used one?

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ok, i'm getting frustrated, 8 months in beijing and i still dont have a bike. so there is no chinese bike kind of qingqi gm200 that you can easily buy and register in beijing for the moment? any safe place to buy a used one?

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I can absolutely relate to your comments. I have been working towards buying a 200cc plus bike for some months as well. Checked out some used bikes over the last WE but most of them are really just a piece of crap or have no licence or come without any documents at all. My decision now is to buy a new JH150GY-3 Jialing to get some riding experience during the rest of this year and then hope that manufacturers come out with some new C3 compliant models over the winter and then I buy a larger bike next year.

That little Jialing actually looks like a fun bike!

http://www.jialing.com.cn/newjl/admi...160429_190.jpg

@fahni after your post i thought that maybe i should do the same, but after euphonius comment i know i will look like an idiot on it with my height. do you know where i could see this bike?

@ euphonius: also feels ok. Looks like CRazyCarls first ChinaMoto. My bike-savy friend who was with me (thanks by the way) also said it was ok. Just not sure how she will climb mountains with her 12 hp and then me, my gf and luggage on her back. Did not start it up or ride it...

@ filipu. not sure if you think the bike would be too small or too big. I am 1.85 and the bike seemed perfect. I am a little bit worried about my gf though...

I have seen this one in black in a shop @ 旧宫东路 but it was not well assembled. Rear sprocket loose and front fork way to soft (probably springs too short or whatever) and they did not really care about these issues. So will have a look around to find the same model at another dealer with better craftsmanship. Right next door to that is another shop with a nice but more sporty (seat!) zhongshen dual-sport and lots of other brands (Yamaha, Regal Raptors, even some 2nd hand BMWs)

@fahni are you plannimg to go there this weekend?could i join you?my motorcycle knowledge is zero. I would appreciate your company.

And is that c3 only in beijing?how about registering in hubei?i m not thinking about fake plates.just does any dealer offer such a service same way as they register outof 4th ring?

Hi filipu,

I got my bike yesterday! Made a down payment on a used one with only 160 km on the meter and will go to www.beijingriders.com probably saturday to pay the second half and discuss final adjustments and registration. The people there seem fine and Paul, a french guy working there can help with communication. Just visit their website, go to "contact" and dial the first mobile number given, it is Paul.

As for visiting their shop together: If your knowledge is zero on a scale from zero to ten, mine is probably one but I would be more than happy to help. Wait for my PM, ok?

The other shop told me on the phone yesterday that the total price for the bike including registration (京B) and insurance would be around 8.500, at beijing riders you will have to pay maybe around 10.000.

C3 is now mandatory for all of China and if the information on this and other forums is correct, then there are no exceptions made. Still, Hubei seems to be a place where at least all these CJ600s can get some kind of registration. But I strongly advise against getting a fake plate. If you get caught this could get you into a very unpleasant situation. After all, it is fraud and you probably would not do the same in your home country...

yeah... hard to get information from the manufacturer

So i finally decided to go for a second hand Japanese as I couldn't wait anymore

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