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This guy is definitely worth a visit. Seems he's building all sorts of franken bikes out of part from many different manufacturers. If he knows how to get his bikes registered, you've won yourself the lottery. Custom legal bikes in China!
http://jlyymt.taobao.com/?search=y&s...&queryType=cat
well its no gp bike thats for sureQuote:
Originally Posted by slabo
the front end feels good and on a smooth surface the rear is fine but it is easily upset by bumps and ripples
thin walled steel swingarm and old tech twin shocks ...
it is what it is , which to me is basically a farm bike with good load capacity a reliable donk and good brakes
rust protection .. yeah i could smell the cheapo paint burning off it for the first 100k,s, after that the rust set in
one of the very useful features of white fork gaurdsQuote:
Originally Posted by MJH
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zhu - just bought a bike from the bloke you mentioned - 223cc Jialing, goes alright, makes an awesome noise, built like a tank and all for 7000rmb
However, the bike has already got a problem - battery's dead.
I suspect this was because the new battery wasn't fully charged, and I was riding round with the headlights on. However I let it run on its stand for half an hour but still didn't make any difference, wouldn't start. I definitely need to get this sorted as it doesn't have a kick. I am taking it back to Mr Wang and his workshop to get it sorted, but I have a strong suspicion this might be a recurring problem - any suggestions regarding a decent battery? Or other problems that would cause the battery to run dry?
Also, gearing seems to have loosened up, within an hour of riding it the gears didn't seem to engage as smoothly - or this just me worrying too much? Any suggestions would be great.
Hey welcome to the family.
Does this Jialing engine have an oil filter?
As for the batter question, I change two batteries at the dealer's, both failed within a month. Third time I ditched the dealer and bought a battery from a mechanic I trust. Never had a problem since. Have a look at this thread, Euphonis explains how a batter should be charged. http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/sh...-amp-chargers/
Any suggestions regarding battery brands?
Stupid question but, what would an oil filter look like?
take close up photos of your engine and we can tell. Also, at the bottom, there is the engine model number. Get that so you can get the relevant documentation and routine maintenance procedures. Take photos of both sides of the engine, and mark all the model numbers you can find. Just so we can help you know your bike more.
q1) This Mr. Wang, is he the same taobao seller "networkhero" .. this >>http://jlyymt.taobao.com/?search=y&scid=165099202&scname=qbCppLao1%2FbUvdKw s8mztamkqbQ%3D&checkedRange=true&queryType=cat<< shop ??
q2) your bike is a clearly a mutt, a mix of bike parts from different manufacturers, actually a good thing if done properly, but I was wondering about registration. Was it troublesome to register the bike? On registration papers is it a 250 ?
hey raph thats a nice looking bike
i find the gearbag is fussy about the chain tension and clutch adjustment
i wouldnt tie up a fleabitten dog with the standard chain, so im just going to wear it out tomorrow and get a decent one
when all is adjusted well the shifts are sweet but the chain is wearing so fast its out of wack again in 200km
i just kind of accept these 2nd rate components as normal in china and as long as the bike has a good heart, just sort out the small snags as they arise
hope you have a good trip
Photos coming up. Its in the garage at the bottom of a massive slope which I am going to have wheel it up.
Slabo re. your qs:
q1. It is Mr Wang.
q2. Registration should be done tomorrow. Mr Wang promised it was no problem registering the bike, all the same I have held part of the cost of the bike back as part of insurance. On paper its a 150. Apparently the registration officials dont even look at the bike.
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I am going to change the oil - whats the best one?
Cheers
it dosnt have an oil filter just a centrifugal spinner on the end of the crank
you can clean it out any time you have the r/h case off to deal with the clutch, but they are ok for ages with no attention
use 20/50 oil in summer and 15/40 in winter , any good mineral oil is ok (castrol has always been my favorite)
I'm confused. Is that BD150GY a Jialing or a Shineray or some other celestial beast?
Nice looking bike regardless, and look forward to you working out the kinks and posting some ride reports!
cheers
http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/sh...ils-ain-t-oils
An old post about oils..
q2) Sorry not sure I get your answer. Mr. Wang is this same taobao seller?? http://jlyymt.taobao.com
About battery, get a Yuasa brand battery with highest rated amp that would still fit in the battery box on your bike. Charge it properly.
q3) difficult to find out, but maybe you can find out. How heavy is the bike?
That rear brake oil cylinder is very vulnerable, not sure, photo not clear, but seems its mounted infront of the rear peg. You'll do some damage when you drop the bike. here are some closeups of how it's mounted on my bike. I'll post a better photo, but you can see it on the right. See how it's protected behind the peg mount?
http://hotimg23.fotki.com/a/220_163/84_243/P1050080.jpg
The BD150GY stickers are designed to fool all but the most ruthless of registration checks. According to Mr Wang it is essentially a Jialing, but with other stuff added
[/URL]Indeed -- Raph, is this the same frankenbike that Zhu is riding up in Yangzhou, Jiangsu?Quote:
Originally Posted by slabo
cheers
I didnt think about the rear brake pad. There isnt a lot I can do though.
Mr Wang Jian is the taobao seller. He says he can get all the bikes pictured on his website registered, although thats here in Chong Qing, I don't know about elsewhere. Zhu has registered his so presumably OK. His bikes are all C2, but the paperwork says otherwise.
Re. "q3) difficult to find out, but maybe you can find out. How heavy is the bike?" - what was the question? I don't know how heavy it is, although it weighs a ton. I am not looking forward to dropping it.
Oh yeah VIN number is LTXZCKL00BA003183 - does that mean anything to you?
Basically yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
Here's a free VIN checker.
Says the VIN hails from "Tianjin Zhongyang Xunda Motor Co Ltd".
Interesting.
I'd call Mr. Wang the only custom bike builder we know of. Can he build Harley knock offs?? :lol8:
Yes, I was just asking about the bike's weight. A ton sounds right. As for dropping the bike, it's a basic rule of riding::
You ride >> you fall. nothing bad about that, in fact I think everyone should learn how to drop a bike gracefully. On my Shineray, the pegs fold neatly and the handguards, pegs, and rack touch get roughed up in a fall.
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There's your man. Obviously the one on the left.
The REAL "LTXZCKL0" looks like this which is powered by Zongshen
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"Normal" registration only concerns engine # & VIN that match the paperwork "合格证" but MUST looks alike the legal one in database.
Once registered, it's legal BUT pigs can took to measure displacement in some "bad" days.
The REAL jialing 223 will release in next year. http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/t_17000907.htm
humanbeing where to get a decent chain man?
looking at Mr. 王 tabao page it came apparent to me that either he has made a deal with stomp the pitbike brand or he just happens to make a bike very similiar to the Stomp T4 sold in the UK
http://www.ridestomp.com/t4/t4.html on there it states a Zongshen 230cc engine yet on Mr. 王 page it clearly states it as a 250 but on closer comparison of pictures it looks identical the bottom end, same fast ace forks slightly different fast ace rear shock
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=10266888926&
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Attachment 5488Stomp T4 another thing that surprises me is that Stomp Claim it can be modified to 25bhp easily with just a cam and carb kit not a bad deal there
I have seen the STOMP T4 being used by the IMPS Youth Motor Bike Display Team after I put STOMP and the IMPS in contact with each other at the beginning of the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kennon
The STOMP T4 is available in the UK for around £2000, a discount is available if you quote IMPS or/and KIRK 03. (Speak to STOMP direct via ridestomp.com)
The STOMP MD and the Sales Director are both Engineers who have modified pitbikes to increase BHP, top end speed etc.
The Shineray water cooled 250cc is being sold around £3000.
Lots of 125cc trail type bikes being sold around the £1500 mark for the UK learner market.
FUN BIKES are importing a 400cc enduro later in the year. (Price unknown).
I will publish in due course a full list of UK importers and the models that are being imported plus retail price.
Japanese bikes are normally at least £1000 plus more expensive than the Chinese importer version
Hi everyone,Quote:
Originally Posted by Raph
This is actually my first post. I am the current owner of Supersignet's old Shineray Long March. I've had it for a few years and I've been riding it casually around Panyu, GZ and through some of the hills around the north of GZ. I'm pretty pleased with it so far. Those of you who read Supersignet's ride report on his trip to Yunnan on this bike know that it can go the distance and be repaired quite easily. I'm an amateur mechanic, but I've switched out probably half of the parts on this bike myself with substitute Jialing parts and a few genuine Shineray parts with relative ease. I've found that most of the Jialing "BaiCai" parts fit it well and are readily available on taobao from quite a few shops. I'm hoping to get some longer road trips in on this bike in the near future, but my wife and I are expecting another child which I suspect will postpone my aspirations for a little while ;)
I have three questions that I'm hoping someone can answer/confirm (Supersignet assures me that ChinaV is a wealth of information for inquiries in general and specific to the GZ region, if you read this post :)
1. Can it be confirmed that I cannot "shangpai" this bike... even in GZ? I'm hoping to make a trip to Jiangmen in the near future to do this if it's possible?
2. Can anybody confirm that a Zhongshen 250 will definitely without question fit the Long March's frame? I've seen it on some DIY Jialing frames, but I'm not sure how much the Shineray's frame differs from the Jialing "DaBai Cai".
3. I read a few posts about sprocket ratios for a 200cc engine similar to the Long March's. It seems that the "golden ratio" has been said to be 44t rear and 16t front? Can anybody confirm that this is a "nice' compromise between adequate torque for offroad but improved cruising speed?
Thanks!
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Originally Posted by humanbeing
If Jialing decides to operating as a motorcycle OEM for Honda they would quickly take the major market share in sales in all markets Honda allowed them to sell its brand within. The 223cc engine with EFI would make many sales, Honda having that could easily offer those in other markets and literally take that market share on the price they can offer alone. They can offer small amounts of them through established dealers and for prices others could never address.