another 250cc teaser

If it is in fact between 16-25k then it couldn't possibly be more expensive than the YBR... which sounds nice.
If I may; a comparison between the GW250 and the YBR250:

GW250: 6 speed - 18.9KW - 23.8Nm torque - 26hp... that sounds nice too.
YBR250: 5 speed - 15.5KW - 20.7Nm torque - 21hp... =(

That's considerably more powerful than the YBR, although, there is one thing I noticed in the picture above: It says the bike is 182kg. The YBR is only supposed to be 138kg wet according to one of ZMC888's posts.

GW250: 182kg...
YBR250: 138kg... =)

If the YBR is in fact over 44kg lighter than the GW then it may make a difference if the two bikes were to have a little race.
My guess is that the GW250 will burn a larger amount of petrol with it's twin engine and extra weight. In that case, the YBR is the more fuel efficient option. Still, I like the sound of a twin.

based on just weight and hp...
My top speed on the GW would be 84MPH
My top speed on the YBR would be 83MPH

HP=weight X (Velocity/234)Cubed

If you say so...
Maths is not my strongest subject :terd

Its physics and if you cannot do the math then you will never get the physics and everything in the world is ruled by physics.

India will be offering a 200cc KTM DUKE later this year, it will have a DOHC single 200cc water cooled engine that will offer around 20hp, KTM is in a joint venture with Bajaj, they already are offering an Indian manufactured 125cc version for sale in Europe and sold 7000 units in that market, its said to be the best selling 125cc in Europe.

KTM anticipates selling at least 25,000 of the 200cc version in India, they also plan to offer a 350cc version for 2013. The 125cc is rated at 15hp.

That scenario and that those models are all being domestically made, the 200cc competitors in the Indian market as well as the CBR250, Ninja 250 and also the Pulsar models would greatly affect potential sales numbers of the GW250 in India as well as its price point.

The result is…you will get the GW250 in china and likely with a good price tag.

The KTM 200 DUKE is rumored to be priced well under $4,000.00 in India. The 125cc got great reviews in Europe.

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Originally Posted by MJH

India will be offering a 200cc KTM DUKE later this year, it will have a DOHC single 200cc water cooled engine that will offer around 20hp, KTM is in a joint venture with Bajaj, they already are offering an Indian manufactured 125cc version for sale in Europe and sold 7000 units in that market, its said to be the best selling 125cc in Europe.

KTM anticipates selling at least 25,000 of the 200cc version in India, they also plan to offer a 350cc version for 2013. The 125cc is rated at 15hp.

That scenario and that those models are all being domestically made, the 200cc competitors in the Indian market as well as the CBR250, Ninja 250 and also the Pulsar models would greatly affect potential sales numbers of the GW250 in India as well as its price point.

The result is…you will get the GW250 in china and likely with a good price tag.

The KTM 200 DUKE is rumored to be priced well under $4,000.00 in India. The 125cc got great reviews in Europe.

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Thanks for the very interesting dope on the KTM-Bajaj venture, MJH. At risk of further hijacking this thread, there is a lot of good info out there about this project, including this site. And here's what it looks like.

http://www.motoroids.com/images/stor..._motoroids.jpg

This is a very good example of how India may actually just start kicking China's arse in international markets. China is just so pathetic when it comes to design, innovation and marketing. Bajaj and (write pretty much any Chinese brand here) are in different leagues altogether.

cheers!

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Originally Posted by euphonius

Thanks for the very interesting dope on the KTM-Bajaj venture, MJH. At risk of further hijacking this thread, there is a lot of good info out there about this project, including this site. And here's what it looks like.

http://www.motoroids.com/images/stor..._motoroids.jpg

This is a very good example of how India may actually just start kicking China's arse in international markets. China is just so pathetic when it comes to design, innovation and marketing. Bajaj and (write pretty much any Chinese brand here) are in different leagues altogether.

cheers!

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Lots of CHN complaining or being a douche that they lost face to India (Thai, etc.). I think those people are small minded and deserved it. Nice livehood is result of fighting for rights, justice, not from compromising or charity from "leaders". (Sorry if I offend other Chinese, I don't feel the same way as you did, How could you have nice thing if you compromise to evil, and even worse being one).

Majority of motorcycle buyer they would jump to car if they could offer one. In fact most of them are relatively poor. Because of extreme hardship to make a living in a inflated economy. I've worked for 5 years. But I can say this country is not a ground for enjoyment but a batterfield in every way. I have some other not-so-nice thing to comment but i think i'll take a break.

the original poster has added more pics.
This is google translated LINK
The plate has clear stated the kerb weight is 174kg.
MJH, can you tell if the engine has DOHC or SOHC from those pictures, as I'm not sure now.

Thanks for the update, td_ref. yes, lots more pictures.

Including this one that makes me wonder if it's really fuel injected. Why would an EFI bike have a push-pull throttle?

http://attachments.motorfans.com.cn/...TO5AZj5306.jpg

cheers!

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Originally Posted by euphonius

Including this one that makes me wonder if it's really fuel injected. Why would an EFI bike have a push-pull throttle?

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There is another picture taken near throttle body. It looks like EFI to me. I don't know why they use the cable. I guess in case the spring fail so the throttle wouldn't stuck.

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Originally Posted by MJH

based on just weight and hp...
My top speed on the GW would be 84MPH
My top speed on the YBR would be 83MPH

HP=weight X (Velocity/234)Cubed

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MJH,
That formula is for trap speed in the quarter mile not top speed.
"Engine Motor Horsepower Estimate Calculator - Trap Speed
Automobile Car Truck Motorcycle
Quarter Mile Run Or Drag Race
Note: This is a rough estimate of engine horsepower."

My EFI Triumph has push/pull throttle.

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Originally Posted by td_ref

There is another picture taken near throttle body. It looks like EFI to me. I don't know why they use the cable. I guess in case the spring fail so the throttle wouldn't stuck.

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Indeed. I believe that my YBR 250 has exactly the same thing.
Attachment 5370

Now this is just making me feel deeply inferior, since the EFI-equipped JH600 has only one throttle cable.

Oh, the shame!

:gaah:

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Originally Posted by barnone

MJH,
That formula is for trap speed in the quarter mile not top speed.
"Engine Motor Horsepower Estimate Calculator - Trap Speed
Automobile Car Truck Motorcycle
Quarter Mile Run Or Drag Race
Note: This is a rough estimate of engine horsepower."

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(Velocity/234)cubed=HP/Weight

I plugged in the weight of the bikes plus my weight as a rider and then set in random speeds until I matched the hp to what each bike is rated at.

Its an estimate and that’s for a variety of reasons one is that the engines hp at the crank is not equal to what is applied in hp at the wheel (braking hp) Then there is a matter of gearing and other variables, but basically the additional hp of the GW offsets its additional weight slightly over the YBR. Based on the weight and crank hp….only.

Its not a Top speed, its an estimated speed attainable in a ¼ mile, based on the engine hp and load.

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Originally Posted by td_ref

the original poster has added more pics.
This is google translated LINK
The plate has clear stated the kerb weight is 174kg.
MJH, can you tell if the engine has DOHC or SOHC from those pictures, as I'm not sure now.

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Not really, but it may be a DOHC with the output and thats only would be based on it not being a multi-valve engine. Something is offering the higher ratings. Either way that bike is decent, it is coming off very balanced. The higher the technology the higher the price.

quote "Oh, the shame!"
Skepticism is always good thing here. That's how we recognise tricks. No worry.

Lots of debate about the value of the push cable - it is common for people to disconnect and discard it, add (or strengthen) the return spring, and adjust the pull cable.

This GW looks good, as does that KTM 125 (pretty unlikely we'll see the KTM in China in the near future).

What is interesting is that if you go to the KTM global site, they do not have INDIA listed in it's ASIAN market, only Japan.

BAJAJ has the exclusive rights to distribute the KTM in INDIA, they may also have that for Kawasaki and also for Vespa, the later is not so obvious.

Its coming off as a smart company and in that it is building relationships.

China is in flux, its motorcycle industry is in total flux with the new regulations. It is possible that they may change their position and allow more entrants into the market, it would be ideal to allow distribution of foreign manufactured products if those partners have direct investment with a domestic manufacturer with the intention of building better distribution systems. Allowing certain products into the market with associated investments in research and development of an associated partners domestic lines. As well as shared distribution channels.

Allowing better access to markets is a two way street. The Chinese market is huge but not well developed. If they open the markets they will attract more partners and in that real competition at all levels in the markets. If those partners have global distribution networks already in place, then they can share those and in that entrance to other markets as well for their associated Chinese partner.

Seems like a nice enough bike, but the pricing is somewhat ghey...