Here you go - Haynes manual for MZ ETZ's: http://depositfiles.com/files/e7snassk4 (.pdf, ~ 42 megs)
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Here you go - Haynes manual for MZ ETZ's: http://depositfiles.com/files/e7snassk4 (.pdf, ~ 42 megs)
While we all are waiting - http://www.erstesberliner-ddr-motorradmuseum.de/
Dear Zorge,
To keep things "on topic" in a China motorbike forum, I searched the DDR site for "China" thinking there might have been some fellow traveller fraternal frolick back in the (more orthodox) day. You know, some MZ and Changjiang fans riding in solidarity to the commune or party central or something. Alas, nothing.
I love your posts!
MZ actually does have quite some interesting culture starting from socialist propaganda how it is a responsibility of a citizen to maintain people's 'power machine bikes' in as good condition as possible for as long as possible (interestingly enough that is very good propaganda and many could learn a lot of that in the times of use once toss away consumerism).
(I curse my English skills because I can't at all translate the words and spirit of the sentences correctly.)
Many don't know but they did the best motorcycles in socialist Germany in '60 by the way, and Japanese were the copycats once again.
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/stea...=9781844259755
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01byhrg
There is one another very good book of MZ written by a worker at Zopau factory, but I can't find it now in English version. Finnish translation is online though. One day I will find it and make a signature here to this forum of words of wisdom on it.
(Thank you again Zorge of the repair manual. That PDF version is much more pleasant to use than JPGs.)
Edit: Here is a better introduction to Stealing Speed.
"Fifty years ago, two-stroke grand prix machines began to outperform their four-stroke rivals thanks mostly to the use of expansion chambers. The technology was originally used in German World War II rockets, and then incorporated into motorcycle engines by MZ in East Germany following the war."Read more: http://www.sportrider.com/gear/146_1...#ixzz2JqFsVOcd
So, who was the hi-tec!
MZ Uber Alles :lol8:
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Originally Posted by moilami
Well known fact - Kaaden's exhaust.
While we all are STILL waiting, ETZ 250 parts catalog - http://www.ost2rad-ersatzteilkatalog...og-etz250tafel
I understood that the first owner was a head of ministry of interior's vocational school of Stasi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorge
Any idea were there ministry of interior's vocational school for Stasi?
Source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkspolizei
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From 1962, the DVP had its own school in Berlin-Biesdorf which trained around 3,500 officers up to 1989. There were several other schools. The Kasernierten Einheiten (barracks units) had their own training facilities. Officers were initially trained in the army ground forces, from 1963 at the Officers' school and from 1971 to the officers' school in Dresden-Wilder Mann.
- VP-Schule "Ernst Thälmann", Neustrelitz (since 1984 central service similar school)
- Schule für Abschnittsbevollmächtigte (school for the section represented), Wolfen
- Transportpolizei-Schule (Transport Police School), Halle (Saale)
- Verkehrspolizei-Schule "Hans Beimler" (Traffic Police School), Magdeburg
- Schule des Nachrichtenwesens (School of Intelligence), Dommitzsch
- Spezialschule des MdI für Diensthundewesen — Special School for service dogs, Pretzsch (Elbe)
- Spezialschule des MdI für medizinische Dienste (im Bezirk Magdeburg ) - Special School of medical services (in the district of Magdeburg)
- Fachschule des MdI "Heinrich Rau" - College of MdI "Heinrich Rau", Radebeul
- Fachschule des MdI, „ Wilhelm Pieck “ - College of the MdI, "Wilhelm Pieck", Aschersleben
- Hochschule der VP — University of the VP, Berlin-Biesdorf (Cecilienstraße)
- Offiziershochschule Bereitschaften "Artur Becker", Dresden (school readiness officer, "Artur Becker", Dresden (now the headquarters of the State Criminal Office Saxony)
- Humboldt-Universität zu Berlin /Sektion Kriminalistik — Humboldt University Berlin / Criminalistics Section
The Volkspolizei had approximately 80,000 full-time police officers and 177,500 volunteers.
With the accession of the GDR to the Federal Republic on 3 October 1990, authority over the police went to the newly created federal jurisdiction. About 40 percent of the DVP employees had to leave the service.
Ok there was no school listed for Stasi. In the wikipedia article of Stasi they did not tell had Stasi school or not.
MdI had two schools listed.
Maybe school of Stasi is just not listed. Most certainly there had to be a school for Stasi where some recruits were trained.
Ministerium für Staatssicherheit, MfS, Ministry for State Security, had to had a school.
Think: you graduate vocational school and right away you're Stasi agent/employee?
It is hard to believe in such a course of events.
BTW, something useful. This is only vol.1 clip - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jdypzaMUdc , look on YT for more.
No. I thought that after you have been recruited you must get good and proper training. I am sure Stasi trained its personnel.
I could tell you, but I'd have to kill you. :lol8:
Forget about DDR. We are interested in MZ's. A few years ago I posted on a local miltary forum short text about MZs in the military service - http://www.mycity-military.com/Nebor...2.html#p838256
While we are waiting...
French MZ cafe racer - http://motoancienne.superforum.fr/t6...fond-de-garage
http://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/12/67/61/43/dscf6718.jpg
This looks like very interesting article. Too bad it is not written in English.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorge
I have got work now. The salary is shit but work is good. I am a trainee working with youths who have various problems. I am giving guidance on game development and multimedia. Also I document with a camera for a publication every different "smithy" we have here, and we have like ten of them.
So not complaining, but the current salary wont get me even the MZ yet...
Congratulations on getting yerself employed Mikko!
cheers
You can use online translator.Quote:
Originally Posted by moilami
So, you employer has not given electro shocker yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by moilami
Damn, how much man wants for that MZ!?Quote:
Originally Posted by moilami
They say we don't have at the moment "difficult" or "challenging" youths. So I guess shock therapy is not yet needed :mwink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorge
I don't know exactly how much the man want of the MZ. But used MZ bikes can cost about 1000 to 2000 euro depending on the condition and exact model. This is unused bike so the price should be more than 2000 euro. Just before year 2000 when MZ were imported to Finland last time they cost about 3500 euro a new.
I am planning to do a pilgrimage road trip to the MZ bike, and there ask the exact price :D
Well, thanks. This is better than nothing, but I am going to start looking for another job sooner than later.Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
http://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/12/67/61/43/dscf6718.jpgIn the UK we had an iconic brand of two stroke bike called "Greaves" (who would possibly name there brand Greaves these days) and they won a couple of of road /and dirt championships.But they looked like the dogs breakfast,,,no kidding style wise no hope...And they went bust cos they never sold enough bikes..MZ I think is or was in the same boat...They look really crap,worse then the greaves,,and I think that stigma stayed with them until the end..Some aspects of the bike I like,,,the chaincase for instance...but even so in my youth I would not have been seen dead on one... But and its a big but there is deigning inderviduals tastes and memories...,,,,,,, Saying all that ,towards the end they made a 1000 parallel twin that caught my eye....
That's what you said now, and never again... If I hear one more time from you a similar statement, I will come to England, buy a half-dozen big and hungry Landrace boars and and squeeze them in your garage, to eat away your Honda to the last bolt.Quote:
Originally Posted by lipsee
:lol8: :lol8: :lol8:
You sir truly are a good MZ bro :icon10:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorge
I think MZ could be the most underrated motorcycle. People adore about any British motorcycle including British heritage motorcycle Royal Enfield. The funny thing in that is that MZ beats most of the older British bikes hands down in reliability - yet MZ sucks and Brit bikes rule :eek2:
I still remember when I made a decision to buy an MZ. I knew nothing of the brand. In those times before Internet I got two motorcycling magazines a month to my home, and I still knew nothing of MZ.
BUT, big but, then game annual catalogue of motorcycles to be for sale in Finland. There, I saw a picture of MZ. I saw she looked darn good, much better than most of the bikes in the catalogue. I read she is two stroke, and I knew I must meet her.
So I went to annual motorcycle show in Helsinki, saw the MZ, tried to sit on it, fell in love, and ordered one right away. After that several PAINFULL months passed by as I waited for my MZ to ship to Finland.
I had no idea - I was totally clueless - how good bike I got. I think more than 99,9% of the people are as clueless regarding MZ as I was.
Those who haven't owned one can't just know.
Where is that bike today, Mikko?Quote:
Originally Posted by moilami
If in the early seventies if you had placed an MZ trophy along side Jap 250cc bikes and reviewed them the MZ would have been laughed out of court,,young kids where simply not interested in buying them....Notice I did not talk of reliability,I am talking of sale ability..Of course they sold a few to men to travel to work ,,but not in any numbers....Actually I do agree most of the British manufactured motorcycle products where thought of in the same way,and perhaps worse....I passed my test on a bsa bantem,,,,then got a bsa starfire,,,honestly you could not travel any distance on those bikes without getting your tools out.,no,they where a pain in the ass.So no happy memories small and even larger Brit bikes where alot worse then many Chinese bikes in this age..Now reference to to Landrace boars !!! hell I had not thought of them for 20/30 years....My Dad had a pig farm...we never kept the boars until they got old,,because they became too dangerous...I can remember only seeing an old one once,,it had an arched back and was hairy as hell ..and the teeth,,my god stay away from them fockers!!!!!!! Since I seem to have stared up abit of a hornets nest...I have a question..Do you think MZ would have survived so long if it was,nt based in a country with a Communist regime where there local market had no choice????Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorge
You would not need six,,,just one is all needed,,, I once went to an auction(sale) with my Dad,,and a big boar came up for sale..They paraded them in a ring of a wooden fence..so they herded the boar in to the ring,it ran around a couple of times.Then decided it wanted out.. It ran straight at the fence and smashed its way out and created Havoc....See what you did ,,I,m getting all sentimental !!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorge
Lol, wish I were there and saw all that xDQuote:
Originally Posted by lipsee
I dunno. I though remember the register plate and could do research to see is it still on the streets at least. I had dreams to actually do that and buy the bike back, but have given up with that dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
I was very very much to enduro in times when I had the MZ, had knobbies on the bike and naturally did a lot enduro with it. MZ was very good and fun for that, if you did not care of the fact you could not go as fast with it as you could with some modern Enduro.
How I lost my MZ? Well, I was an idiot. I was not content with the bike but wanted improvements like more power, bigger wheels, and longer suspension. There was gravel maintenance road for railroad tracks. It was a good road because you could go full throttle on it with MZ, and I could drive from Korso to Tikkurila without doing much tarmac while racing with the trains.
One day the father of my mechanic died and he was very sad. We both were on racing, and I thought that alright, now I shall do a memorial drive from Tikkurila to Korso faster than a train. I went to the road and MZ sung like there would be no tomorrow. I totally forgot that there is a "canyon" and a water stream on one point across the road. When I saw it coming it was a little bit too late. Anyway I did brake as good as I could by locking both rear and front wheels while keeping the bike balanced! Maybe it helped, maybe did not.
I flew to the bottom of the canyon, landed on the wheels and fell down of my bike. Got a good refreshing bath :D I was physically unhurt; the poor MZ took all the damage. The front fork was bent, handlebar was bent, wheels were bent, mudguards were broken, speedometer broke etc etc. It was not that bad however. The brave and sturdy MZ started up much to my surprise and I drove up from the canyon and eventually parked the bike on her resting place.
Repairing the bike was too big hassle, idiot as I was, so I rather sold it and thought about buying a new "real" enduro.
Here is the Bane of MZ on the middle of the map. Rekolanoja it is called, just on the western side of the railroad. Needless to say on my first trip to Helsinki with Pony I drove a memorial through it again. I do it when I can.
https://maps.google.fi/maps/mm?ie=UT...016565&vpsrc=0
Great story, Mikko! Makes me think there should be a special class of psychoanalysts who deal specifically with motorcyclists! I can imagine that, to this very day, you are probably still punishing yourself for this series of events! :wheelchair:Quote:
Originally Posted by moilami