Where can these be purchased in the US?I am having a hard time finding them.
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Where can these be purchased in the US?I am having a hard time finding them.
I like your answer better!!Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
See if Rwerksman who started this thread does mail order, too. He has an online site which MJH had linked to somewhere on this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by ben2go
Www.motorcycleinsight.com
Hi
I assume that the SSR 250 is similar if not identical to the Pulse Adrenaline 250 which has recently went on sale in the UK
http://www.chinesemotorcycledealers.co.uk/XF250GY.php
A dealer quoted me power output of 12.9KW (17 odd HP) which I think is quite low considering the KTM Duke 200 puts out 25HP (I realise it isn't a fair comparison)
I quite fancy an Adrenaline 250 but the lack of power is putting me off unless of course you guys know how to get more out of it?
Regards
Ian
This engine is air-cooled, but I am assuming the KTM is liquid-cooled. There are Chinese 250cc bikes with liquid cooling that are putting out a claimed 25hp, as well.
The nice thing about these Qingqi/Pioneer bikes is they use a near clone of the Suzuki DR 125/200/250 engines.
You might want to stay away from the engine with modifications (Chinese engines don't seem to have many aftermarket parts, probably for a reason), but many people change the jets in the carb, and swap out sprockets which easily wake the bikes up. Forthe longest time, we could only get the Qingqi 200 in the US, and one of the dealers and FMF had a custom exhaust for it. There may be an aftermarket pipe for the DR that fits?! But it would depend on what kind of performance you wanted.
It seems the price for a Duke is about twice the Pulse, but I doubt it is twice the bike.
All thing considered, the Bajaj KTM bikes are too pricey,
4000 GBP for the 125, 4200 for the 200 and 4500 for the 390.
Pulse 125 is 1500 GBP and the 250 is 2000
The Suzuki 250 Inazuma is 3500, its not really comparable because it is perceived as way too gey looking, for most men, however in Europe that may make it popular?
There is a more comparable bike that may be eventually coming out of the Pioneer factory, a water cooled 250cc that would be more comparable to the 200cc Duke. I believe it will likely have the new Zongshen 250cc?
http://www.somoto.cn/UploadFiles/20121014225634364.jpg
What is interesting about that bike is that it would be the first totally new design generated by CCW’s founder Scott Colosimo. You can see his work in Sinnis dealers as well, he brought the Sinnis 125cc classic style bikes to the market. They are selling for 1800 GBP, a bit pricey eh?
I have a suggestion, that trellis framed super moto could be sold through Pulse and it could be priced between 2000 and 3000GBP.
Zongshen seems to be doing the most for the industry with it introducing its NC250 engine, the engine is showing up in many models coming out of many factories.
Another engine worth considering the Dongben 250/300 particularly the later CD173MM with 30hp, not that it would be comparable to the KTM Duke 390 with 40hp, but certainly something that would deserve to be noticed.
All very good points, wish I had the time to wait for these higher power 250's but I had my 650 Kawasaki versus stolen recently and I need transport as soon as the insurance pays out.
The issue with the Adrenaline 250 is I have 20 mins motorway as part of my daily commute, I suspect it should do 70mph but overtaking will be an issue. I did have an Adrenaline 125 before I passed my test and despite many saying they are rubbish I loved it and had no issues at all in the 20 months I had it.
Regards
Ian
If your commuting into the city daily a 250 would be less then ideal, seems you had a good bike for that already, with the Kawasaki , maybe a CB500F their 4,650, that or the KTM DUKE 390, the twin Honda would be better.
You could consider the WK 650i they are 4200.00, but with it being priced so close to the Honda it hardly seems worth buying the off brand, but it is a Chinese version of your old bike.
Had a ride on it and it doesn't do too badly. It'll get up to 60mph with quite quick acceleration but beyond that is a little bit slower. Got it up to just under 90mph on gps :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ianmrr2301
BTW it's lots more torque than the 125cc! One thing I have noticed is that it sits a bit lower than the 125 due to the extra weight I presume. Does the SSR have the same problem?
Could be the seat... there are two different seats for these bikes, I have both for my QM250 and there's about 1.5 inch difference between them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frozuki
Could also be a lack of air in the rear shock, I've had a couple QM200's and QM250's and they don't hold air in the rear shocks very well.
Cheers!
ChinaV
Are you sure about that?I never seen any endro/dual sport with air shocks.I am about 90% sure the shocks are hydraulic.Some after market shocks are charged with nitrogen to help them cool and stop the oil from foaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinaV
The air is there, its represented like a spring , the adjustable shocks change the spring rate by adding or removing air. The nitrogen is used to keep moisture out as the atoms of nitrogen do not bond like oxygen to hydrogen, so they do not form water. The foaming would be the result of introducing water to the hydraulic fluid also called oil. There is a set amount of air in the shock from the factory, loss of air would be the same as a shorter spring. The rate of air loss might be related to the range of movement as in how aggressive you ride and the range of movement put on the shock. Seems it would loose it all if it leaked, but that may be a leak that only occurs at a certain load?
http://www.contactdi.com/Processed/1000785.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by ben2go
You can see the air filler bottom left.
I'm not sure if this shock was designed for nitrogen or regular air... given the fact that they only stay pressurised for a couple weeks, I wouldn't want to be paying for Nitrogen every time it gets low.
Cheers!
ChinaV
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Originally Posted by MJH
I'm not entirely sure whether I'm a fan... It might be the swingarm
I'm not diggin the swing arm either.
Hi Frozuki
"Got it up to just under 90mph on gps :D"
Are we talking about the Pulse Adrenaline 250 here?
Rgds
Ian
Yes :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ianmrr2301
Hi
Cool, that would be fast enough for anywhere i would take it :)
Rgds
Ian
Hi
OK, i have placed my order for a Pulse Adrenaline 250, will have to wait a few weeks though, will post a review when i have been out and about on it.
There is an aftermarket exhaust for the adrenaline 125 and the Ebay seller assures me it would be ok in fit and function for the 250 however as usual there is a problem.
He also supplies a new Jet for the 125 Carb (presumably to let more fuel through) however the carb on the 125 is a Mikuni (i think), the 250 has a TK TYPE KU30P.
Unfortunately i can find nothing on this carb so if i get the exhaust i cannot get the correct jet for it (and i am not sure if i need a bigget or smaller jet)
Anybody know?
Regards
Ian
I have the pulse 250 and the downpipe is different to the 125 so beware if he says it fits
Do you mind posting an update on how this bike is holding up? Seriously considering purchasing the SSR xf250 but just trying to get some actual rider feedback before I drop the $2,600 bucks. TIA!
I can give you my unbiased opinion...
I have always had Supermoto type bikes, from a Yamaha DT 125 to the KLR125 and the Suzuki DR350 and 600, so I am basing my opinion on those previous examples...
I had a Pulse 125 (the same bike but a smaller 125cc engine) for two years prior to this bike and I have had the 250 model for just under 4 months (they have only been out that long over here)
I have had no trouble from both bikes, both bikes have not let me down and have run without any problems. The only thing I can mention is that you should check the screws/bolts as they can come loose, only minor like the rear footpeg screws that hold the rubber on the footpeg started working out and the handlebar brace allen bolt also worked loose after a few months... That's really it for my 250cc, apart from that it has handled the hot weather and heavy traffic with no problems (the version over here is air cooled)
Like all Chinese bikes they are built on a budget, but as long as you bear this in mind and take care of the bike I think they are good for the money, I only wanted a fun bike for commuting during the summer months. And I think that spending more money on a Jap bike would not have made any difference for me...
I know that some people are against Chinese bikes but I really feel that for the money they are not that bad, not sure if everyone else agrees?
I agree, but it depends on the bike. The Qingqi/Pioneer sourced enduro/motard bikes that these are seem to be proven high(er) quality for years now; others, not so much, although in the US at least, since the bikes have had to meet minimum emission rating since the mid-2000s, have generally weeded out the bargain basement crap the last few years (probably the worldwide economic climate having something to do with it, too).
I will rave about my TMEC 200, in spite of issues here and there with fit and finish (and loose bolts) because I know that if I needed a new one, it would cost me $1600 US including shipping, about 1/3 the cost of purchasing a brand new Honda CRF250 enduro for $4300 US plus fees,etc. Yes, the Honda would be near perfect, but I would have to finance it, vs. paying cash for the TMEC.
As good as the Qingqi/Pioneer bikes are, they have had to lower the price a few hundred dollars US, because at $3000 US, plus fees, one still has a good chance they would have to finance it. In the L.A. online ads, dealers are offeringthe 250 in the $2500 US range, out the door price, with the 200 a few hundred less, out the door.
People keep repeating themselves, in the UK you have dealers and consumer protection laws, we do as well but if you buy online you give that away. If you get a defect you deal with it through phone calls and emails, pay to ship any parts and take responsibility to do the work.
It is not only about the quality or perceived sense of quality, it has risk and it never goes away, as it ages and it needs maintenance you do that and with no decent support system.
You need a part in the UK you go online and order it, heck they offer fair prices for spares and also free shipping. That is not the case here and not for you as a purchaser and not even for any shop selling them. They said f that first and continue to say f them.
The Chinese do not know how to get it right they in the USA they simply cannot because all that is behind them is messed up, it like a cluster fuck down the line.
Who is going to buy containers of bikes online from somebody that is called Mr, Rainbow from golden ring trading company.
If you want one of these bikes I would suggest going through T-Bolt, they have demonstrated technical knowledge, but they still have to go through SSR that has to order out of Pioneer that orders out of tom dick and hairy supply and or Jinan Qingqi which is only allowed to open for business every other second Thursday because the local magistrate found them selling bikes that are not legal and also embezzling funds.
Thanks for your opinions guys. I really appreciate it. I grew up with Jap bikes so I know what the build quality is like with them and I also purchased 2 SSR 125cc pit bikes a few months ago and was surprisingly impressed with build quality of those.
That being said, I think I made a better purchase for my situation right now. I have a 2008 Yamaha R6s and my fiance has been wanting to get a bike to ride with me and that is the main reason I was looking at the xf 250, so she would have something not to expensive for her first bike, but I found a deal on a 2001 Suzuki Bandit 1200 that I feel made it a better purchase than the SSR.
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/n...ps961655a7.jpg
I still think I am going to pick up a couple of the SSR xf 250's around tax time for me and my buddies to ride, but for now this will keep us entertained.
Thanks again guys, and I will post a thread if I purchase the SSR's
XF250 vs Bandit 1200 for her FIRST bike???Quote:
Originally Posted by JungleLove