Motorcycle Show Warsaw Poland 2015

Jawa is offering a 350 twin, not Chinese though or at least does not seem to be.

http://www.jawamotorcycles.co.uk/ima...0Retro%202.jpg
Not cheap though...

3,500.00 GBP

=

5,389.13 USD

military version
http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/...AWA_MIL010.jpg

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Originally Posted by MJH

Jawa is offering a 350 twin, not Chinese though or at least does not seem to be.

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This two you are two stroke motorcycles :-).
Made old style of Jawa, but this:

http://www.jawamotorcycles.co.uk/ima...0RH%20Jawa.jpg
Are with chineese engine? 253FMM lifan?

the 350 twin is a Jawa Czech design from donkey years now, the 250 twin is based on a honda twin.

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Originally Posted by Kennon

the 350 twin is a Jawa Czech design from donkey years now, the 250 twin is based on a honda twin.

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Yes i know the 2stroke where very popular in Poland. But i have a suspicion that the 250ccm is a lifan engine...

It is CM 250 clone, that's obvious, but is this "Lifan"'s - only mark may say. It should read something like LF 253 FMM. But "Lifan" or not, those "Jawas" were not affordable as its predecessors. '80's "Jawas" and "MZs" - todays C-motos.

Zorge you think that Jawa produce a copy of CM 250...?
I think they buy it in China, no matter if lifan or other manufacturer.

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Originally Posted by Kennon

the 350 twin is a Jawa Czech design from donkey years now, the 250 twin is based on a honda twin.

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How on earth does that bike pass EU emissions?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zd0AwyD9TM

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Originally Posted by beniamin82

Zorge you think that Jawa produce a copy of CM 250...?
I think they buy it in China, no matter if lifan or other manufacturer.

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CM 250 clone refers to engine and not on the entire motorcycle. No, I do not believe that this engine is made in "Jawa" factory, but also I do not think that this twin engine is "Lifan"'s exclusive product. You can find at least half a dozen Chinese factories which produce such engine.

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Originally Posted by MJH

How on earth does that bike pass EU emissions?

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Who said that he pass? :icon10:

I do not believe that adding oil mixer, contactless ignition, perhaps better carburetor, done enough for "Jawa" to slip through EU emission regulations, but, damn, this thing lap up at least 4l/100km. Too much by today's standards.

BTW, four or five years ago, I read in one of the Russian motorcycle magazines, that there this two stroke costs about 2700 euros. Can you imagine a C-moto that costs so much and how much better than this "Jawa"?

Zorge you can even buy a Jawa 350 in England in fact the whole range of Jawa's yet to see one but I do recall seeing a review not too long ago. to be precise the review was 5 years ago ahahahaha
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/f...a-350-is-back/

I do miss seeing Soviet smokers around still saw plenty of CZ's, Izh's and Jawa's in Ukraine and plenty of Jap import race replica 250's.

Beniamin, since you are native Polish speaker, I want to ask you something. I'm trying to find out for some time about "Junak", in fact, about the meaning of the word in Polish. On Serbian, "junak" is arachaism that means same as "bohater" in Polish. On the other hand, "Google translate" word "junak" translate as "swashbuckler". So, is "junak" something closer to a Jack Sparrow or Tadeusz Kosciuszko?

Come on Zorge, you should already know that, "What's junak, is always Make(donian)!". :riding:

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Originally Posted by Zorge

Beniamin, since you are native Polish speaker, I want to ask you something. I'm trying to find out for some time about "Junak", in fact, about the meaning of the word in Polish. On Serbian, "junak" is arachaism that means same as "bohater" in Polish. On the other hand, "Google translate" word "junak" translate as "swashbuckler". So, is "junak" something closer to a Jack Sparrow or Tadeusz Kosciuszko?

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Polish Language Dictionary says: "brave young man".
This is certainly an archaic word, and not used in that sense.

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Originally Posted by Krasi

Come on Zorge, you should already know that, "What's junak, is always Make(donian)!". :riding:

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While we wait for your report from the Inter Expo Center, musical intermezzo from Poland, especially for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLTJZXyPkwY

Or, if Kayah's song was not good enough encouragement to visit Moto Show in and convey us your impressions, I can send you signed Lepa Brena's "The best of" double CD. :lol8:

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Originally Posted by beniamin82

Polish Language Dictionary says: "brave young man".
This is certainly an archaic word, and not used in that sense.

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Thank you. :thumbsup:

Haha, it was a time when Kayah was together with Cousin of my Father :-).

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Originally Posted by Zorge

Or, if Kayah's song was not good enough encouragement to visit Moto Show in and convey us your impressions, I can send you signed Lepa Brena's "The best of" double CD. :lol8:

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I'll go! Just don't send the CD. Please! I'll volim you forever :goodtime:

Lovely the JAWA pictures,but check out whats jawa argentina is offering,a JAWA JIALING JH 600,ETC..http://www.jawacz.com/issue_36.html#chopper

Yes, same thing like Argentinian "Gilera".

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Originally Posted by Krasi

I'll go!

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So, did you? :poke

Unfortunately, yes. What a parody of "Motorcycle Exhibition" it was... The most "chinese" brand was Kymco!

Not worth the Internet band to write anything about this "Sofia Motorcycle Show".

Then, who fill a gap in Bulgarian market caused by disappearance of cheap east European moto brands? :confused1:

West European second hand?

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Originally Posted by Zorge

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West European second hand?

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For the major part yes. New motorcycle sales a rare. Of course, there are lots of "plain vanilla" Chinese bikes under all sorts of names and brands, but they all come from "episodic" imports. There aren't really stable importers or distributes with established brands or something.

Actually, even though I'm not well informed with your local market, I still got the impression that something is way too different with C- moto in Bulgaria comparing to other Balkan countries.

I become envious because two million Macedonians have here-to-stay "Hamachi", which, BTW, wipes floor with barely alive Serbian C-moto brand "Sprint", that here and in neighboring ex-Yu countries has a ten million people market.

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Originally Posted by Zorge

Actually, even though I'm not well informed with your local market, I still got the impression that something is way too different with C- moto in Bulgaria comparing to other Balkan countries.

I become envious because two million Macedonians have here-to-stay "Hamachi", which, BTW, wipes floor with barely alive Serbian C-moto brand "Sprint", that here and in neighboring ex-Yu countries has a ten million people market.

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Sprint does not seem so dead?

They are not so selective for models...
http://www.sprintscooters.com/images...ser_200_03.jpg

They are. As much can I hear the local motorcycle forum, for example, the "Pioneer" made "Pulser" is not imported since '10 or '11, the same thing with "Apollo". "Raptor" SPT is sold out for some time and no one expects new batch. I have no reason to believe that it is not the same with scooters that offer. What is the worst, often occurs problem with spare parts.

Today they sell old stocks. Since '08 or '09, sales volumes were significantly reduced, retail network too.

People you can see on "Sprint's" site are their office clerks and mechanics. :icon10:

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Originally Posted by Zorge

Actually, even though I'm not well informed with your local market, I still got the impression that something is way too different with C- moto in Bulgaria comparing to other Balkan countries.

I become envious because two million Macedonians have here-to-stay "Hamachi", which, BTW, wipes floor with barely alive Serbian C-moto brand "Sprint", that here and in neighboring ex-Yu countries has a ten million people market.

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I'd be surprised if there is an "official" importer of C-Moto in Bulgaria as I'm yet to see one. CF-Moto are imported, but they're trying to sell ATVs and those ugly UTVs of theirs.

http://scoot.bg/shop/modeli-scoot have been around for some time now, but they sell only Lifan scooters really. At least I haven't come across something else on the street yet.

It’s not possible to base a business solely on the wholesale importing and sale of these Chinese motorcycles. It is possible…just not going to be profitable or better said sustainable.
Any effort would have to include something else, some other revenue generating business model.
I read that analysts see both Serbia and Bulgaria as underserved, something like five percent of all new vehicles annually are two wheeled and that represents less than other similar markets, based on climate, warmer climates typically have higher sales then colder climates.
In Bulgaria you have some polarization, the economics in Sofia different then other regions. The same for Belgrade? In these enclaves it is not likely that these types of vehicles will appeal to the up and coming, they want a higher status? The markets do need serious consideration, for example it could be possible to operate out of Burgas and in that supply rental scooters to shops along the Black Sea Coastal cities. Then also retail sell and support products that would appeal to residents within the Province as well. That would offer a consistent or more consistent potential for revenue for each retail outlet. I also believe that since neither of the countries are that large one center could likely serve the entire country at first and growth would only then be through real actual demand and only justifiable if cost effective as in more efficient and sustainable.
I would also suggest that any shops also have a café and be owners residences as well, a family business catering to tourists and also sell modest simple models to locals in the region.
That could rent small bikes and scooters with GPS and then serve them some authentic regional food and offer them some options for route selection on the GPS. That could be a set of destinations along the coast and last for a day or longer, with scheduled stops with set accommodations. Logging meals…networked with others and shared revenue.

Currently they do such "tours" with 4x4s. Usually old Russian ones, which probably are quite "exotic" in the eyes of western tourists I suppose :naughty:

And yes, Balkans are the same as China when it comes to vehicles. Your mean of transportation must be fast, black and Made in Germany :lol8:

If by some miracle one decides to get a motorcycle, it must be one of those PVC crotch rockets. You know Honda CBR, Yamaha R1 (R6 is for beginners after all!), etc. Once you have one of these, the eyes of all female 10-th graders turn into rolling heart icons and their knees get wobbly when you pass by, or park in front of a café on the high street.

The fact that your riding skills stretch only to being able to ride with 200+km/h on the highway straights, is irrelevant. After all who needs twisty roads with all these turns and opposing traffic. when they've build a three-lane highways?

I can not find an appropriate topic for this my "finding"

I mentioned recently this ZT 70 moped on which someone had been too enthusiastic with spokes. Here's another CG clone, also with a s...load of spokes - Turkish "Motoran Scorpion". Note engine in the color of copper. :icon10:

http://www.motoran.com.tr/wp-content...Product-01.png

Ok, Junak 124
http://www.motocykle-125.com.pl/wp-c.../junak-124.jpg

WMI says
Producent: Jiangsu DHCLBC Vehicle Manufacture Co Lt
Adres producenta: Housong Rd (Houqiao) Anzhen Town
214106 Wuxi City Jiangsu Prov
China
I can't find a web site
is this a right site
http://en.zxmotor.com/ ??

What are you searching with?
The WMI is the first three characters of a Vehicle Identification Number.
First Character is for the country “L” =China

Manufacturer Name	JIANGSU BAODIAO LOCOMOTIVE CO., LTD.
WMI	L2B
Address	5 HOUSHAN RD., N C IND. PK/ ZHAQIAO,ANZHEN ST./ XISHAN, WUXI JIANGSU,
Product Type	MOTORCYCLE
Model
Letter Date	10/15/2014
File Name	ORG10326

Manufacturer Name	Jiangsu Zhongxing Motorcycle Co Ltd
WMI	L7J/
Address	Chaqiao Anzhen Town Xishan Section 214105 Wuxi City Jiangsu Prov, China 214105 China
Product Type	Motorcycles
Date	29 Jan, 2008