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I could say something rather rude but I'll bite my tongue. Time will prove you wrong, so very wrong. Don't let actual facts or first hand experiences of other people get in the way of your dream of cheaper motorcycling nirvana.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYTEAM
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Originally Posted by ZMC888
LOLWell done ???Quote:
I could say something rather rude but I'll bite my tongue.
Love your choice of wordAnd your not talking about a American rock band ???Quote:
Nirvana
I dont have to bite my tongue so much so i list a few other defining vocabulary
ignorance, incognizance, innocence, insensibility, nescience, unawareness, unconsciousness, unfamiliarity; amnesia, blindness; absentmindedness, absorption, abstraction, inattention, inattentiveness, preoccupation
"you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink it"
Nuff Said
i know Japanese bikes are the best, but are they worth twice the money ? if i get £1500 back in 2 years it will still be less depreciation than a Japanese bike... i got back the same money i paid for the 2 Chinese bikes i owned for 3 years :clap:
People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. :lol8:
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Originally Posted by SKYTEAM
Yes.
Haha, seriously, I was happy with my Skyteam, and it is still a very good bike, but I wanted a basic two stroke street bike with no bells and whistles. As I saw that Jawas are still being sold in Europe, there was nothing much to do other than to buy one, since I chickened in getting the ultimate, that is the Ural.
What is important is that you are happy with your bike. What other people say matters nothing.
What is important is that you are happy with your bike. What other people say matters nothing. i agree 100% :thumbsup:
had a m8 that used to go touring on a jawa and swore by it, and they still sell them new in the uk, http://www.jawamotorcycles.co.uk/retro.html ..
Yeah, I know they sell them, the price is a bit high, but it is an European, very simple, sturdy, and reliable bike with low maintenance costs. Not a toy.
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Originally Posted by prince666
YOU HAVE BEEN AWARDED
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CONGRATULATIONS :lol8:
Well, I don't see any ass licking. The fact is that China Bikes are sub par bikes when compared to Japanese bikes, and I understand what they are saying is that they tell what is the reality. China bike can be cheap when you buy it, but after a few years it holds practically no value. So if you want to buy a new bike, you will get nothing of your China bike. This is where the China bike is not so cheap anymore, not to mention how time is money and the big hunt and research for spare parts, oh well, is something what turns the tide heavily against the china bikes.
I would propose that we don't become too emotional regarding bikes. That is something what is part of the it doesn't matter what people say way of life.
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Originally Posted by moilami
But what this guy who had came from a old Chinese peace of shit dirt bike to a new shiny peace of shit 650 Wk he thinks he is the dogs bollocks and he keeps forgetting that we have lived with these bikes for a few years now but let's see what hapoens after he's cllocked up 30.000 km on the bike let's see what he's views are then and Mr know it all I have got 2 CF Moto in my garage with over 50.000 km clocked on them Between the 2 so it that respect I am just a bit in front of you .
For a guy who over the last 6 years have only posted very few post until now tells me a lot about you
Well good luck and ride safe
Is licking and kissing the same thing in Finland?
The members in China that own a CFMOTO, bought them because they were the best offering that they can get for a reasonable price. They do not rave about them, most have stated; if they were outside of China they would not have bought them. Most of them will recommend that you consider a purchase of a used Japanese motorcycle.
Comparing a 650cc CFMOTO with all the other motorcycles coming out of China is too general, the value at resale for these is actually unknown, they will hold some resale value but certainly not as much as a recognizable brand. I do not imagine CFMOTO closing up, they seem committed to a market share, and so as long as they are in business and parts are available they should hold some resale. In a few years they may be more popular.
WK has a new offering their it is ZS125, it is sourced from BENDA.
Not sure what water cooled 125cc single it has, it is rated at 9.2kw @9500 RPM
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...eaf7119efa.jpg
Notice that they are avoiding the "triumph design elements" do not think they are not aware of the problems that can occur selling copied designs.
1,999.00 GBP = 3,028.08 USD
prince666 i love that i have got under your skin, why do you use profanities ?
safe riding :clap:
prince666 i have had more bikes than you have had hot Chinese dinners and all but two have been Japanese bike that i love...
why are you in china ? hiding a crime committed in the UK ?
like i say love it, winding up know it all dumbos like yourself :icon10:
and you ask why i did not post for a long time ? that is none of your business pal..
when i came on here it was about talking about what you have done with your Chinese bike, as it was meant to be from the top man crazycarl...
but now it is ll about pulling a chinese bike down without even living with it..
We say in Finland perseennuolentaa when we mean the same thing, but it translates as ass licking.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
to me it looks to be a CBR125/150 copied engine, look at a YCR 150 and see how identical it is to the previous shape CBR150.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
Well, people should be able to say their opinions about bikes. I understand very well if someone hates china bikes or Jawa. What I don't understand is if someone hates MZ, because MZ was perfect :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SKYTEAM
It sure does Kennon, but the real Honda 150 engines are DOHC 4-valves. Honda recently tried to exercise its design rights on engine cases in a Lawsuit filed in the Philippians and they lost. These engines are basically knock off in the true definition, looks like the Honda but internally different. I am pretty sure they are SOHC 2-valve engines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kennon
These types of bikes need a DOHC 4 valve and 15hp particularly if they intend to sell them for the prices they are asking.
The CBR150 is a DOHC
The CBR125 is a SOHC
http://www.motorcycle.com/gallery/ga...0-2/engine.jpg
not perse suudella ? The meaning is to kiss up, or suck up or to brown nose. Not literately the ass you lick.Quote:
Originally Posted by moilami
Nope, no kissing, licking, perseennuolenta means literally to lick an ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
actually it means the ass I lick, not me you, the person who wrote it. The original posts was in reference to ass kissing, figuratively, you are making it Cuckoo.Quote:
Originally Posted by moilami
OK I had a look at the WK website. Yes really they are selling the 650i for 3,200 pounds for a limited time. Down from over 4000, that is a genuine bargain. that this is probably as an opportunity to get rid of old unsold stock. Knocking a thousand pounds off certainly makes the bike more appealing.
I'd prefer say a used clean low mileage 2007-2010 Honda Hornet for the same money.
I have driven Hornet, it was maybe 600cc, was an excellent bike and build quality was was very high.
I'd say to lick an ass is not that bad as they say.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
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yes very very appealing, and along with 2 years warranty and no MOT for 3 years, i think it is a perfectly sensible to buy one....Quote:
Originally Posted by ZMC888
and ya never give up about the second-hand Japanese bikes :lol8: ..
everyone has their own point of view on bikes, but at least i know my bike is new and has not had the living shit revved out of it or even wheelied or not been serviced correctly..
I have that same problem that I want my bikes new. Could had got cheap used Jawas, or BMW K75 year 1994, which I lusted a lot. Now though very happy with the Jawa.
If you pay 3000 of a bike now and get nothing of it after 5 years, it is about the same as if you pay 5000 now and get 2000 of it after 5 years. About the same only because in the latter case you drive 5 years with a better bike and in the former case you have 2000 to invest on something.
Don't smell the kool-aid too hard. A warranty is not a cloak of all invincibility. Merely a 'promise' that if you continue to spend money with them in the short-medium term they may look after you. Then again they may hang you out to dry especially after that magic 2 year deadline has passed, with no parts when your bike goes wrong leaving you with an un-ridable, un-sellable lemon in your garage or drive-way. Sometimes they even leave bikes on their shop floor for months waiting for parts to come in as a way to sit out the warranty.I hope nothing bad happens and that you have a great bike, but if you think you bought a bike just as good as a Japanese bike for half the money you are mistaken.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYTEAM
Also wheelies are not necessarily abuse they are simply that someone knows how to use a rear brake, throttle and clutch at the same time. Done by a noob they can wear out the head bearings.
@MJH,
The position of the oil dipstick suggests a copy of the CBR150R engine more than 125 due to the availability of the CBR150R over the 125 in Asia obviously a easy change for sure. Looking at Stripped YCR 150 pictures it looks to be a SOHC head.
I do not think the dip stick position is the same as the Honda, it may actually tell us it is a Chinese engine.
The dip stick on the CBR150 is not located there and it is not located there on the CBR125 either.
Honda 150cc DOHC 4-Valve
http://www.cityhondaonline.in/images/cbr150r/fea3.jpg
The Chinese YCR engine is SOHC like the CBR125 engine, unlike the Honda CBR150-R that is a DOHC 4-Valve.
Chinese made SOHC 150cc
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...9s8wqns15o.jpg
For example this is a YCR that is actually labeled Honda, it is a fake Honda, there are a few giveaways, the engine and also the brakes.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...0-item_pic.jpg
I would not be at all surprised if the WK imports with these engines are actually 150cc and labeled 125cc? The actual Honda SOHC is rated at 13hp and these WK 125cc versions are rated just under that.
This is hardly the bible….however the specs on the YCR 150cc are
Engine features: single-cylinder, four-stroke, vertical
Cooling mode: Water-cooled
100 km fuel consumption: 3 l -5 l
Wheelbase: 1335mm
Dial: LCD instrument
Front suspension equipment: Upright damping
After the shock device: hydraulic center shock spring +
Fuel type :: 93#
Emission Standard: GB1462-2002 GB14266-2002
Front Tire Size: 100/80-17/225Pa
Rear Tire Size: 130/70-17/250Pa
Front brake Type: Single disc
Rear brake Type: Single disc
Battery: 12V/7AH
Fuel tank capacity: 13 liters
Vehicle weight: 120KG
Maximum load: 150KG
Minimum ground clearance: 165mm
Maximum torque and speed: 11N.M/8000r/min
Maximum power and speed: 9.5KW/9000r/min
Intake / exhaust valve clearance: 0.05/0.05
Number of valves: 2
Idle speed: 1500 ± 150
Exhaust pipe: YCR car Earmarked (silver)
Carburetor: accelerator pump carburetor
How did WK get a version of the 150cc @ 125cc to offer near the same hp as the 150cc?
I cannot imagine that the people at WK would agree to that, however I can certainly imagine a Chinese OEM selling an engine as a 125cc when it is actually 150cc, they abuse their indemnity, the risk burden is a line at the border, and they will sell products that in fact hand you huge risks across that line, as into your market. How can a UK company hold a Chinese company accountable, they cannot legally, they have no viable way to do that. They will sell products to companies in other countries that may be in violation of laws in the country they sell into. They have no worries in that because the burden of liability transfers with the goods. They operate in China with indemnity, they have impunity to the recourse of other legal systems outside of China.