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It is a near copy of a Yamaha TW200 and it has it own set of attributes and shortcomings. Like the ZS200GY it would be good off road and better in some circumstances then traditional dirt bike and not as good in other circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ekkicore
The Yingang has crash bars so if it fell over it would fall on them, it also has a great amount of carriers built on it. I like it a lot, I encouraged them to sell that in the USA and they are! But the Americans look away or have not really seen it yet? It is only a 200cc but for many that is enough, it only is limited by not being able to go on the interstates(highway, freeway).
The travel has to do with the bikes ability to absorb impact and that’s about going up a hill and flying into the air and landing. It also can extend if a rut is hit hard….something tells me that you are not going to be that aggressive on your off the pavement adventures…but I could be wrong?
If I was you I would just get to as many location that sell the bikes as possible, I would not rule out any until you look at them in person. Yingang seem to be very well organized….they impress me and they have many models.
seems like a lot of chinese bikes are based on the yamaha TW200..!
you're right in that i shouldn't cross anything off my list until i've seen it in person, though from the pics i definitely don't feel anything for this particular yingang model. perhaps i shall take a look into other models, and will definitely keep my eyes open for this brand when visiting dealers!
you can always lower a bike always maybe not as low as you neeed like i have 32" inseem so i lowered my bike to 31 3/4 get it there is an adjustment ring on rear shock that comes off the swing arm i have 2800 km on my 2009 xf200 bought it for 2300usd welded on after market fmf shorty pipe to improve exhaust flow gor rid of big ugly stuff on the rear end and you can put som ktm decals i got free from ktm and fisher price my first moto was born and i love it i blew out the alternator but easy fix
Only those two that I am aware of, the YinXiang has a different engine the Zong has copied Yamaha engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ekkicore
Pictures are misleading.....I look forward to seeing what you find, if you find one you like even if you never heard of it let us know there are 100 of models.
It seems to me that with the ridiculous production numbers that bike shops would be all over china? Part of the thrill is shopping for that first bike, make it last and gather information, keep practicing on the scooter meet the people in local riders club ask if you may ride some of theirs? Build some confidence and search for your perfect bike.
nice little video clip indeed, for a chinese motorcycle company. i've never seen anything like that here in china -- an attempt at actual marketing!Quote:
(too bad the rider has no riding skills! he almost crashes in one of the final sequences, sitting on his saddle while riding through sand...)
cheers
I like that kind of practical farm bike too, but agree, not a looker unless you like retro style! if you want a laugh, do the other link http://motorcycle.sh.cn/t_16805663.htm with Google translate: makes complete nonsense, starting with 'Why did the stains I was nurtured here, enjoy this kind of model suitable for motorized brigade'. And what does Ding Ding Ding have to do with it, let alone a 'push fart' ? That last sounds a bit messy. Oh well, I will find out more when I come over.
Have a look at this if you want to understand suspension.
I really like the look of the TW200. Where do you think it performs badly?Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
The tw200 I found this morning looked like a retro farm bike, not sure if the link played out right because I can't find it now - the original yamaha tw200 bike was a good looking bike and quite different.
I think it was suggested to Ekki because it has a 790mmm seat height and a fat back tyre?
But now I am confused as the Zongshen Sierra and the Q-link X-ranger are meant to be a lot lower again at 719mm? I have got something wrong or else internet reports are suss!
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The more I look at it the more I like it.
Jape, i like that bike too! whats the rack at the front for?
That bike frame/engine based on Honda GL145 (search Kiwi site:lol8:) + XL125S front shock + carriersQuote:
Originally Posted by jape
#202 http://motorcycle.sh.cn/viewthread.p...=86471&page=11
On really hot days you put your feet up on it and get a 100 kph breeze up your trouser legs ... or else put a dvd player on it for on-road entertainment?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ekkicore
Traditionally, it is where your sheep dog sits when you are riding between paddocks, rounding up the sheep.
But you can put what ever you want on it Ekki. In the Movie 'Machete' it is a gatling gun mount, bloody handy in traffic.
Thanks Humanbeing, that is the retro one.Quote:
Originally Posted by humanbeing
Just amazing what you can get on a small bike!
Fatter tires are not as responsive in quick maneuvering, but climb a grade well, basically if your on a steep hill on a 200cc bike with 21”x 18” wheels and I am on a TW200 I will get to the top faster because I have better grip, it will not spin its tires as much, it may climb hills others cannot. It also would have really good cornering on and off road at higher speeds, less slip. But on wash board surfaces or series of small hills it would not do as well as a bike with thinner bigger wheel, the tires then become cumbersome.Quote:
Originally Posted by slabo
Great, I wanted to study Chinese for a while, but I end up lusting on new candy for an hour. Now really considering selling my bike for a new SUV 250. :riding::riding:
Meaning a bike with the same power but thinner tires is faster because of less drag? Is that it? Not an issue for me. I'm not on bikes to race anyone, If it cruises at 100km/h thats enough for me in China. Found another thread discussing the SUV250, so I'll continue there.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
Nimbler I would say the thinner tires are nimble, yeah the bigger tires would present more drag and resistance in turns.
I really like the SUV250.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...s/IMG_9996.jpg
The SUV250 is based on the FTR223 Honda.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y..._color_02b.jpg
I do not see the oversized tires of the TW200 as ideal for me, they come with knobs that could likely loosen fillings on paved roads.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...aha-tw2004.jpg
There is design house called Heiwa that has a version of the FTR223.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...s/ftr004_0.jpg
The FTR223/SUV250 come with 18” tires front and back.
Here is a more street version of the TW200
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...TW225_1007.jpg
And then the Version of the Qingqi tracker that is sold by Sinnus is the UK.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...rackstar-1.jpg
16” rear tire and 18” front.
I know that Ekkicore does not like the retro bike and wants a 200-250cc, but the Qinqqi trackers has a 29” (760mm) seat and weighs 235lbs (107KG) adding her weight to that would she move along nicely? It has 8.4kw of power. What would be its top speed? 50mph? (80km/h)
What is the price of that little bike? Bet it is half the price of the 250 Motard or less. The riders in the UK say that little 125cc is a very good engine and can be unrestricted with nothing more then a muffler. Then it has more power and some claim they get up to 70mph (112km/h)on them then.
They come in black and with a black engine, the decal can be taken off and then a performance muffler added. It can have tires with more knobs on them and it would do ok on a dirt road.
The bikes have restrictions on them, the muffler is a big one. Changing it can be a way to address the “out growing it” by adding a little more throttle response and top end speed, but until you get very comfortable with it that will not happen, you may say it is fine for you as it is?
It has a shift indicator that tells you which gear you are in as you shift, very helpful for a new rider.
Plus it is a Suzuki engine and very reliable and many visitors on this forum are familiar with it.
If you say the Zongshen is a little to high with a 31” seat then I struggle with you being comfortable on anything over 30” and think that 29” is or would be ideal? The Qingqi Motard has a 32” seat and I doubt it can be dropped 3” that’s allot and it is not considered an adjustable rear suspension to the best of my knowledge. But I could be wrong and be careful with sales people they are notorious for making promises they cannot keep.
ZS-200GY
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...Y_2_Green_.jpg
Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
I think there are some serious issues with the SUV tracker, namely the exhaust and swingarm. That's what I see at least. Finishing qualitiy looks nice. MJH, If you know more about this bike, please answer on the other thread I found dedicated to SUV250's.
Blimey MJH where do you ever find all this stuff! I think we should change your label to 'the professor of cmoto'. You constantly astound me how you ferret out all this info. I certainly appreciate it and I am sure others do. I found this one you posted ages ago to show how these trackers type bikes can have street cred.... sorry Ekki, you will have to put up with us all using you as excuse to look at lots of 'bikes again!
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...63/karion4.jpg
90km/h or + claimed by factory http://motorcycle.sh.cn/t_294857_1.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by MJH
I know its like I have a condition of something, I’ve been keeping track of the industry for about a year.
The Karion has or comes with a twin cam 4-valve engine a 125cc with around 14hp and now it seems that same 4-valve is being offered in a 200cc and also a 233cc engine by Hyosung’s business partner YinXiang. If those are good engines then they would have advantages over single cams with only two valves, as they are typically smoother and more powerful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsfYf_Fi9PI
I would like a Karion style bike with the 233cc 4-valve and its 20hp.
LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3IoXVIu2Gc
I wonder do they sell Hyosungs in China, they do sell YinXiang though and seem like they are on a good track, if they are introducing the better engine technology.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...yosung/311.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...sung/37637.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...ion-1836-2.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...5-karion-2.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...g/Hyosung1.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...karion1px2.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...ion2007-10.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...4605cce4a3.jpg