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Thought we have seen it all here at MCM but along comes the cracking genius post below and herewith nominating for the MCM post of the year award! Reckon we have now enough clowns to make a full circus.

Have a nice weekend wherever you are, going ridin'.....

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Originally Posted by prince666

HI Chinadian Here is one way to get your bike license and is legal and can do on a 30 day visa but cost $600 and haikou is a very short trip from HK and do it and be back in HK in one day as i said it is legal license because you will take the test ??? but with some help ??? if you need the contact details please PM me and i send them back as i think i cant post detail of contack in the open forum this way you will keep people happy here ??? the detail was for car and bike license so the cost for just bike could be a lot less well good luck and i hope this infore helps and what make you think only the north has the pollution and congestions are unbearable! ??? some of the best bike rideing is\ found up north ??? all main cirty in china have bad poullution and the roads are congested its only when you get outside then things start to get better after 60.000 km on the roads here i should know just come back on a 650km trip one way from Longkou to jining done it in 7 hours by toll roads would take 12 hours on A roads steveP.S.when they ask for a chinese name just make one up i find it strange you are asked for a chinese name when you dont have one ???good afternoon and thanks for your email . so sorry to reply you so late because we are holiday . we have two ways to get it for you , please see below : Here is a list of documents we need to help you to get a Chinese legal driving license : 1.a copy of the mainpage of passport. 2.a copy of the both sides of validate china visa . 3.a copy of the both sides of your driving license 4.a copy of the last entry stamp 5．one picture (For your photo, you can sit down at a chair in front of a white wall taking for your half body, you should keep a little bit distance with the white wall without any shadow ) about the photo , you also can scan it and send email to me ,1-inch with white or blue background or 2-inch photo . later we will use one photoshop to adjust it and then print 6 piece for you . 6.Your chinese name and your height in centimeters 7. the deposit is 2000rmb, and the total price is 6900rmb for one people ( if you also want to apply one motobike driving license together , so you need pay more 2000rmb for motobike driving license . so the total price is 8900rmb for car and motobike driving license ,but your driving license need allow to drive motobike .) you can scan the above documents and email them to me. When l receive them, l will check them. after which l will inform you to pay the deposit. When l receive your deposit, l will provide the receipt of deposit. you need go to haikou city to make a test with your original passport and original driver license around may 9th or 10th morning and then we will arrange one driver to go to haikou airport to pick you up and bring you go to traffic department to make a test .but we have translator to help you to pass the test , 100% passing . you only sit the classroom . 100% you will get it . also you will get your original china driving at the same day . and evening you can come back with your original china driving license . when we give you original china driving license at the same time in haikou city ,you need pay balance money . at last you can drive at any city of china . the validate of license is 6 years old . after 6 years , you only renew it . if you don't have free time at that time , so you just need advise us about your free time . by the way , haikou belong hainan province . it is very close to sanya city (where have beautiful sea view ). many customers got china driving license and then directly rent one car there to drive to sanya and then spend weekend there . it is very good . we also have another way for you . we also can arrange it for you in guangzhou city , the same documents and price as first way .you also need go to traffic department for one day around the middle of june . it will take around 45 working days to finish the whole process . if you really need one , it is better to do earlier to apply it , because later it is more difficulty to apply . if you want to get it urgently , so l suggest you fly to haikou . fast and easy .If you have any question , please contact us .

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TB i get it now if you are going to say something say something which is going to help so what is wrong with what i said and at least i am trying to help unlike some people so keep your insult to yourself or tell me face tio face i am sure we will meet sometime you dont know me and dont have right to say such things which i find rude just change you name to TA Racing (TOTAL ASSHOLE) would be more to your nature

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....going to say something say something....

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Setting the record very straight forward to avoid any further confusion and miscommunication, people advising others to obtain a fake and bogus license / registration or encourage license / registration scams are on the same level as the clowns - idiots - morons that come to China and assume they are above the law and operate motor vehicles without the appropriate license and registration. Over and out from my side on this issue as everything should be crystal clear to everyone...

I think TB-Racing was sexually abused as a child and we all should forgive him for his online behaviors.

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Originally Posted by TB-Racing

Setting the record very straight forward to avoid any further confusion and miscommunication, people advising others to obtain a fake and bogus license / registration or encourage license / registration scams are on the same level as the clowns - idiots - morons that come to China and assume they are above the law and operate motor vehicles without the appropriate license and registration. Over and out from my side on this issue as everything should be crystal clear to everyone...

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so you think a agent working to help people get a Chinese license is "illegal" the agent helps you get all the paper work done which we all have done and is a long job to do and the agent arranges a translator to sit next to you when you take the test ?? and yes the translator help you pick the correct answers so what yes the scam is the cost ??? but that's all so MR TB or now called TA you need to read the posting more carefully before you post as to being a clown it take one to know one TA so from one clown to another over and out

Wow ... a little bit of online chatter in MCM ... don't see that often.

I think the point TBR is trying to make is that it is completely inappropriate for foreigners to come into China and flaunt the laws. I've often heard people try to rationalize their inappropriate behavior in two ways:

1) It is too difficult, or expensive, or impossible to do it legally. And/or;
2) All the Chinese people do it (which is debatable).

But hey, if that is how you roll, fair enough. Just don't go crying about being treated unfairly when you are jailed, fined and booted out of the country, and prevented from any re-entry for 10 years. You made your bed, you sleep in it.

The "agent" getting the DL (in the above example) isn't really an agent. A genuine agent will help with all the paperwork, locations, etc., to get a proper, legal DL. I think the current market price for a registered agent's fee in Beijing is around 800-1,000 rmb, but that is only for assisting with getting a legal DL. You have to meet all the criteria, write the exam yourself, supply all the legal documents (e.g., proper visa and overseas license), and take the medical yourself. FESCO, the official government-owned agent, is commonly used by professional expats (e.g., executives from multinational corporations) who have an overseas posting in China.

There are several alternate methods to get a DL, with varying degrees of legality. At one extreme, you can pay 250 rmb and get one manufactured for yourself - totally fake, but hey, TIC, right? I have thought about getting a couple of these for my house cats, as a joke. Then pay another 200 rmb for fake plates & documents for your smuggled/stolen bike, and away you go. Your choice.

I also think that the foreigners who have been in China a while, and have lived through several sensationalized media reports of foreigners doing illegal things, advocate other foreigners doing it right. Back in Canada, if another Canadian screws up and gets tossed in the clink, what the fuck do I care - it doesn't directly affect me, at all. But in China, when the media lusts after reports of illegal foreigner behavior, I cringe with each report - I get painted with the same brush simply because I am a foreigner. So, yeah, foreigners flaunting the law in China DOES affect me personally. China is the polar opposite from being a "multicultural society." And because foreigners are simultaneously admired/hated, I'd prefer to keep the "hate" side of things to a minimum.

If you can't get a DL because you don't qualify - don't get a DL. If you absolutely, positively MUST ride a motorcycle in China, just do it ... but don't ask me to to send you any cakes with files in them.

Anyways, good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Hi Kao Jia Hou

That is the point. The post TA made is rude and not friendly but your post is well done and is not rude so if you cant be politely then dont post ??? and i would never tell someone to get fake DL to pay someone to help to get a "real " DL why not

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Originally Posted by prince666

so you think a agent working to help people get a Chinese license is "illegal" the agent helps you get all the paper work done which we all have done and is a long job to do and the agent arranges a translator to sit next to you when you take the test ?? and yes the translator help you pick the correct answers so what yes the scam is the cost ??? but that's all so MR TB or now called TA you need to read the posting more carefully before you post as to being a clown it take one to know one TA so from one clown to another over and out

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Hi Prince666,

I started this thread to learn how to obtain a moto license and ride in China legally. Find out where are the must see scenic routes in South Western China. What are the hazards and pitfalls(every country has them & are different) for locals and visitors alike. Please let NOT turn this thread into something negative and lets all move on. Thank you for you "helpful inputs". The price is high plus the added traveling expanses. If this service is available in border cities to Hong Kong or Macau, it might work. Also why May 8 or 9th as we most likely won't be in Asia until October.

PS: please NO more fake anything! After reports of fake baby formula and even cheap items like soya sauce a few years ago, My GF stopped buying most food products that are made in China.

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Originally Posted by Lao Jia Hou

The "agent" getting the DL (in the above example) isn't really an agent...

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Correct, spot on! Lets hope the MCM member that fell for the Hainan Island and Southern China DL scams via "agents & websites" has big enough balls to come forward and posts scans of his two over-prized fake China DL.
Both DL's look like they were designed by a drunk and stoned teenager using crayons and some outdated black & white version of photoshop....
Lets face it, it's not my problem and at the end of the day, who cares about some people that just want to learn the hard way, eh?