Had an accident

Effectively Chinese have had as much time to build their civilisation as western countries. Not 20 years. And I for one have fought for justice on my own expence in Finnish Law System and won with me myself being the "lawyer". The system works.

The Chinese girl got bad wounds, but it could had ended other way. That kind of accidents are very dangerous to motorcyclists. It could had ended with the motorcyclists become paraplectic or quadriplegia. That is very bad. Now motorcyclists were lucky to walk away, but it could had easily went very differently.

I don't know why this has got to me so, maybe I will let it go soon! Meanwhile a 22 year old young Chinese woman is feeling pain. And it is not a nice pain or easy to deal with. And she is feeling fear and confusion and suffering the consequences of a simple accident. Frightened of the operation and possible infection and maybe just wishing she had been more careful. She may have been tired or inattentive or late or excited as she wanted to get to her lover or to work or just thoroughly stupid but she was in an accident. As was Naim and his lass. two people from diferent parts of the planet met at a point in time and space at a rate of knots. Naim did the right thing. Her parents are doing the best they can for their daughter. Life is not fair but it is real. So it encapsulates in a small way a clash of cultures and opinions? And anger is all we can show with debate about the law?

We should all club together and send her flowers and best wishes as a group. Try that instead of anger and blame for once. I will send a hundred bucks, fifty fifty to Naim support fund and to the lass. Money where my mouth is. Naim, or anyone do you have paypal, Jeff, Mr. Canada, anyone take my money please? I am serious, do it. It isn't a false gesture or charity or a precedent except in decency. Some one organise it, just PM me an account number and it will be there tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by jape

Aye and I am getting angry at all the immature, self-centred, western arrogance I am seeing. It is bloody China you are in, not London or New Yoik! You are guests not fucking conquerors. Temper your anger with understanding or compassion or fuck off back home and play in your sandpit I reckon.

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I'm not to prove some idea or attitude is wrong, but sorry Jape, that probably has gone a little bit too far.
As a local Chinese, it's stupid for me to criticise my own country in English (I made similar whining about work ethics, although that would achieved nothing, danger and trap still happen around us. And I should talk about those issues with my parents instead), but I true heartily support Wanglong's suggestion on 'how to take care myself and not being easily taken advantage of'. Time passes on, I'm getting sick of complete-selfish and immature grownups, and my compassion towards those people has worn off. Hopeless as same thing will repeat. This time is no exception, I wouldn't show much mercy to that girl who is also responsible for her action (crossing street without looking traffic, desire for unnecessary surgery).
best to both parties' recovery.
TD

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Originally Posted by jape

Try being poor and getting justice.!

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This is not a question of equal representation. In the situation described, the foreigner's right to any form of legal defense is stripped from him before the question of a judicial solution came into being.

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Originally Posted by jape

You never jumped a fence? OooRa! You never drove drunk? Wahoo! You perfect? Marry me.

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No I have never jumped a large center divide on a high capacity motorway while drunk. Guess I just haven't lived enough yet.

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Originally Posted by jape

If it were just 'logic' we would all be wealthy and well-fed and loving and coffee-coloured.

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If by coffee-coloured you mean white chocolate mocha frappacino then yes

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Originally Posted by moilami

And I for one have fought for justice on my own expence in Finnish Law System and won with me myself being the "lawyer".

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Awesome.

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Originally Posted by moilami

The Chinese girl got bad wounds, but it could had ended other way.

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Correct. And in that case Slabo would have to cover BOTH his medical bills and those of the girl he hit. In this case who do we feel more sorry for?

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Originally Posted by jape

I don't know why this has got to me so, maybe I will let it go soon! Meanwhile a 22 year old young Chinese woman is feeling pain.

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Maybe its because you are a grumpy old sod.

It is unfortunate that anyone experiences being on the receiving end of an accident, but just because somebody is hurt when they acted without considering the consequence to their action means they receive a get out of jail free card? I’m not laughing at this injured local Chinese girl, I’m saying that she is financially and legally responsible for her own mistake.

I usually take shortcuts when I can, and many times that means breaking the law. But I like to say I know what I'm doing when I do that. For example, to save riding ~2km, I've crossed pedestrian bridges on the bike! It was dark and the streets were practically empty. Now let's the bridge were to fall down, it would be my fault, and the civil engineer's fault, and the contractors fault, and the inspector's fault....etc...
In the meantime, I'm laying on the street and hurt(not dead of course)... I forgot where I'm going with this..


Whose fault? I was riding inside the second ring road, on the bus lane. I don't know, I suppose it's 40% my fault, my offense normally being threatening for myself, and only punishable by a 200rmb fine. But her offense, well, i think she knows by now. Stupid? Yes, i think we're both stupid. Rush hour and everyone was in a hurry, and, at the right moment, we chose to 'meet' .. kaboom! Also, I was wearing my full face helmet, and I wasn't quiet used to it yet, I rarely wear it, especially if I'm just riding around the city. It was cold that day however. I guess I was being complacent, they say the majority of accidents happen after two year's riding, well... I'm a bit late, should have been last year, but I did it eventually.

Anyway the girl and the parents were very civilized about everything, they did thank us for doing the right thing. Also, there was no threatening, shouting, or any kind of abuse. Also she didn't try to fabricate a story, her account of the incident is pretty much the same as ours. Money, yes, they tried to get everything they could, I would if I were in their place. Nothing unusual so far, this same story could happen anywhere in the world.

Now the twisted stuff.
1) The hospital said she needs an operation! Funny if this were to happen in a small village somewhere and we went to the local village doctor, she would be safer.
2) The police wont issue a report about the incident! They said they will only do that if we don't reach a settlement.
Now that's just confusing for both parties. Things could be much much simpler if it weren't for these two issues.

Did I mention the bike was confiscated? The police said they'll hold onto it until the issue is resolved. :wheelchair::wheelchair:

Thanks for the offer jape, I don't have a paypal account, but maybe buy me and the girl 7 pizzas when you get here. As for flowers for the girl, we already gave her flowers and two big boxes of milk, or something....

I think i can see what jape is talking about. It's actually similar to what's happening with us. No one is really angry, not me, my misses, the girl or her parents.. we're all dealing with it. The only confusing part was dealing with the law and the hospital ....grrrrrrr

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Originally Posted by slabo

... we already gave her flowers and two big boxes of milk, or something....

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Perhaps a kilo of salt? That could've resolved everything a few days ago! :lol8:

BTW, you've got a good attitude Slabo - good on ya! :thumbsup:

If I ever decide to get hit by a full-faced moto-rider, I hope it is you.

Cheers

I agree, you're attitude is second to none Slabo. You're handling it all really well.
I find it amazing that you can look at this situation from both sides, i'd be blinded by fury for sure.

I just can't understand how anyone could jump a fence right onto a highway during rush hour and have any grounds for compo after the inevitable happens.
Anyway, that's not the issue anymore, i just wanted to commend your attitude and wish you the best of luck...

...You're a better man than me. And you deserve a break. ( no pun intended)

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Originally Posted by slabo

Did I mention the bike was confiscated? The police said they'll hold onto it until the issue is resolved. :wheelchair::wheelchair:

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What? Your bike got taken? Totally ridiculous. The police are just using it as leverage to expedite resolution of the "case", even though they are too lazy to document it. Again, fulfilling their role as a mediator rather than enforcers of the law (which in western terms is supposed to represent justice).

Slabo, you are truly the gentleman for putting up all of this with a great attitude.

Slabo,
You are handling this crash very well. I would agree that there is fault to share between you and the young lady.

Two questions:
Why do you keep mentioning that you were wearing a full face helmet? Are you implying that it obstructs your vision?

Why were you riding in the bus lane? I assume it is a lane reserved for buses but I could be wrong. Most bus lanes around here are for buses to stop and load/unload passengers.

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Originally Posted by barnone

Why were you riding in the bus lane? I assume it is a lane reserved for buses but I could be wrong. Most bus lanes around here are for buses to stop and load/unload passengers.

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If it's kind of similar to the situation in BJ then it is more like a lane that is reserved for busses during rush hour (6:00-9:00 and 16:00-19:00 something like that).