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600cc bikes are considered beginner's bikes in the US. A Sportster is called a girls's bike by the faithful. Bikes are toys here for most.
The TU250X is a Japanese bike and the Ace is a Chinese bike. Ask any US biker what they would buy for about the same money? As far as one being more stylish than the other, that's just your opinion.
My opinion means more than most others' :lol8:Quote:
Originally Posted by barnone
At least in my mind....:icon10: :rolleyes1: :bs:
The TU retails for $3999 according to Suzuki's site. The question is, would someone be swayed by a grand? Or will CCW itself, or its dealers, have to discount to move bikes like the 'big' guys, or even like the little guys, like Qlink?
Personally, I await their Hooligun which will be the most amazing, awesome bike out there at any cost and size :lol8::lol8::dirtbike:...
This bike has a 32.28 seat height, it has 18” rims front and back its fine for me small but not too small.
FTR223
http://cdn.autos.goo.ne.jp/protoucar...7112300300.jpg
SUV250
http://www.yinhemotor.com.cn/english...5799006962.jpg
I do not know what it takes to get a bike through EPA…but this one shares a ridiculous amount of custom parts available for the FTR223.
It is matter of taste…but I do not want the hard tail or suicide shifter or handle bars that extend above my head, its all uncomfortable.
That little bike could easily be customized to this version and I really would want to do that.
The seat is upright the shift straight up and down, I prefer a mono-shock and swing arm. If I had to avoid a collision I rather have the bike that could jump a curb and take turn with out it being outside a natural range of movement.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...7079669edc.jpg
Someone on chinariders was asking about a brand called Veli Motors and how to get it EPA'd. I think it was you who mentioned that the EPA certificate is different for a dirt bike vs. a on-road bike. Since Pitster Pro is selling some of the Galaxy bikes (or so it seems) such as the XTR 230, and is selling a line of "retro-street" bikes manufactured by who knows, perhaps he would consider adding the SUV 250 to his "retro" street lineup. It couldn't hurt to ask...Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
I would be curious how much interest this bike would bring to market in the US? It is definitely "stylish" along the line of those considering a CCW bike due to their style, and seems like something I would see here in Yuma with the snowbird/RV crowd. I could see people who would be interested in a TW200 and DR200, but are on a limited budget considering these. I don't understand the EPA rules (I am not sure if anyone does-including the EPA), but since this engine is already certified for Pitster's off-road bikes, coming from the same OEM (presumably), this bike could be imported already as an "off-road" bike? There are several states that would plate it such as AZ. My question is would Galaxy go the distance and get DOT approval, if they already have EPA?
MJH, you have a little bit of homework....
I do not know...I just think its a cool bike.
http://blog.goo-net.com/yokorin/img/...r223dx-yeb.jpg
http://e-bikers.blogzine.jp/photos/u...4/r0016678.jpg
It is very cool and a joy to drive agile motorcycle. I have had that type of motorcycle yet I longed all the time for more delicate handling and freedom modern enduros have :riding:
Of course not saying that you are wrong.
But...
Modern Enduros are just :clap:
See I'd love to play around on something like that. I think I may be able to get at least 4 bikes in My garage :riding: :thumbsup: :riding:
MJH I find that damn sexy, i love bikes but more so what you can do with them and how they can be transformedQuote:
Originally Posted by MJH
Gardo, I went the distance with a rep from Galaxy (Yinhe) last year trying to get some of the bikes imported. Culcune and others know that, Galaxy advertised them as EPA/DOT and also made an offer to ship one as a samples. I was totally excited and then later found out they are not EPA conforming….to say the least I was really pissed off.
I also went a distance bringing attention to the Qingqi Tracker, the bike the CCW ACE appears to be based on, I am not taking credit for its existence. I have the same taste and vision as others, it does not surprise me when other do exactly what I would do. However the timing is ironic.
I would say the master of design is Oberdan Bezzi if I worked for CCW I would be sending him gifts.
LoL MJH
Its not a matter of right or wrong…it’s a matter of it being available today for production and in form that could be easily customized and at a really good price. I agree with you on the nimble and versatility of the dual sport…I go off-road often and feel a big advantage being able to do so, but when I think about modifying the dual sport it them becomes a motard “Motocross-Standard”.
http://0.tqn.com/d/motorcycles/1/0/y...F200_XP200.jpg
The Motard is just that they use them to race on a combination track, some dirt and then some pavement.
This little bike is a Tracker and shares some of the versatility, it would be nimble and corner fast. But the beauty of it is it can also feed the need to customize that some have….Heiwa shows that it’s rendition.
I could customize my XP200...but my interest would require some fabrication and the results would not be the same….and I priced it and its not worth it to me.
I am not foolish I know that if I had an SUV250 customized to look like a Heiwa I could auction it and get a good buck for it. If it was a limited edition run numerated and limited with the CCW name it could become a collectible.
To me that is about getting access to a flexible manufacturing line in china…but also protecting that and not seeing the exact same model being offered by others. The line would only produce small runs and then switch to the next model.
The thing is that the factory line has to keep running and in that they keep selling what they make. Eventually the market gets flooded and also interest wanes…so it's about designing and producing and then repeating that through one line and that’s called adaptable or flexible.
I respect this journalist ….Basem Wasef
The MCM site generates 800 unique hits daily and is valued at or around $1,700.00...the quality of the content drives traffic and in that determines the value.
I am just saying...
Interesting article, MJH. It seems funny that just a few years ago, the Chinese bikes would have been totally ignored (except by people on here and earlier, chinariders), but there they were on the list!
I don't think that Pitster had the XTR 150 and XTR 230 that they have now when you were setting up a list. I am near 100% confident they are both from Galaxy, which means they have EPA certification--there should be some connection with being certified for both the XTR 230 and SUV 250?!Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
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Originally Posted by culcune
Motorcycle engines are not tested and listed as compliant...think about it motorcycle models are.
The XTR230 has to be EPA conforming to the off road standards set by the EPA. The SUV250 having the same engine means nothing, it's not the engine its the configuration of it, the timing the induction and exhaust.
The EPA has a list of models....models are either on the list or not. If they imported the SUV250 as a XTR230 it would be illegal.
The standard for off highway are less strict as for those used on highway.
Who ever approaches Galaxy has to be willing to fund them to develop the EFI for the model. Getting EPA is nothing more them attaining a certain level of exhaust gases. Spending to get the certificate or worse attempting to get around it is limited. It would be taking the wrong approach.
The small bikes that have EFI are better suited for the new riders, simply on and off no more steps to start the bike it becomes just get on and start it. If they were real smart they would time or calculate the time frame for the little engine to attain it’s operating pressure. The bikes need to be smarter and technology offers that, a sensor that lets a rider know it's ready to be ridden or ready for service. They also could venture into GPS onboard….
The advantage of a lowered production cost should be capitalized on and the opportunity to add features that the others leave off because of the higher costs to those manufacturing in higher cost environments.
I’d say the 223cc is good for electronics and so is the 250 water cooled engine, the goal would be smooth and consistent power as well as durability. That may require looping out and then looping back as in developing it outside and then bring it back in for production. How can they develop bigger and better if they cannot prefect the designs they currently offer?
I would say the best scenario would be to buy into a company as a partner formally and with some capital. I could be wrong but I think the small engines with electronics and six speed transmission have not been developed fully.
I think it’s funny when people say who are these bikes good for…the only real valid factor is how much do you weigh? Could say if the demographics of the area have a high percentage of obesity the smaller displacement bikes will not sell well.
What if the bike came with a helmet and in the helmet was a display that showed you what was behind you? It also tied in to your cellular network and offered turn by turn and also recorded your path and then downloaded it to a file server? What if your bike came with a personal web interface? That allowed you to customize it and share it with others in a network? Such technology adds costs but it also adds value equipping the bikes with integrated smart technology.
mjh,Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
I don't want all that crap on my motorcycle, thank you. BTW, what planet are you from?
What if you were on a brand site and in the corner it listed the current number of owners of a certain model. Then offered a clickable link to communicate with some of them. Its all rooted in relational data based technology and its based on a Vehicle Identification Number and that allows for the differentiation. Propagation of data fields that fill data tables that are all linked. A certain model shares a certain string of characters with the VIN.
It simplifies the system entering a VIN would only bring up model related data. Compiling it produces metrics and also statistics, it also could be used to identify components. A certain string of the VIN would represent a production run and in that a set of specific parts and in that each having its own code. That is used in quality control as if a certain part had a propensity to fail and subsequently get replaced the next run of the model in production would get the new improved part. Such a approach inevitable reduces the total number of part failures of a model. That’s a use of quantitative methods and quality control, it identifies poor quality and in that also the sources of that poor quality. It does that because in the list of component parts is also a list of suppliers and or sources. Each part having a data sheet that form digital tiers or cascading files, again relational and linked on shared embedded codes. They are primary or secondary dependent on the search.
Searching on a specific part can bring up multiple models. Searching on a model brings up multiple production runs. Each run off production would be consistent and offer a consistent list of associated parts. If a component changes on a model then that subsequent run would have a different set of components and in that use a different string of characters in a VIN to identify that difference. It may be 99% the same as a previous run depending on the number of changes made in the parts used.
If a run had a part used that presented a danger to the rider it brings about a recall of that part and all owners of that model would be notified.
One way above your head CletusQuote:
Originally Posted by barnone
Ok someones been watching too much Robotech LoLQuote:
Originally Posted by MJH
In response to post #172 - the amount of work to create a stable database that is updated by whom? the liability alone for that type of structure outside of a Govt Agency would be ridiculous and if it is a Govt agency guaranteed that it will be at least half a year behind at best
Lol I think he is alien indeed because he shows so much genius :lol8:Quote:
Originally Posted by barnone
The future is all about real-time and event driven data, it does not take a year for your ATM transaction to occur it's instantaneous and event driven. I should not post such revelation on this site, its not something most people get, they just cannot unless they understand the technology behind it and have actually worked in such environments, even then some still do not get it.
I do agree that there is total liability in accountability.
Relational Data is a technology it is used in most industries, people steal things from Wallgreens and then are they surprised when the RFID tag shows were they have taken it on a map? Not only the address of the location but that tag also is associated with an inventory list.
There is open source software that allows anyone with the ability to set up a data table and manage it. Once a single model is defined it does not have to be entered every time….it only gets entered once. A data table can hold images in a field it can even hold a hyperlink, a command “clicking on it” opens another window as in cascading.
Vendor lists and associated supplier…its not rocket surgery.
Linking to a satellite is currently happening all day long…On Star or a Tom Tom…if it freaks you out then you could pull the sim chip and maybe wrap you head with tinfoil?
Once a model is defined the data does not keep getting entered it get reused over and over each model already has its own VIN and that’s all that gets entered and that defines it and it is what get registered so you can prove you own it and also the manufacturer can be held liable for what it is and how safe it is. Why do you think the NHSTA demand VIN coding documents?
Most people are very conservative and they get entrenched and resent change.
Nope, it's not, but I've yet to see a Chinese moto manufacturer that uses anything more advanced than excel spreadsheets to run their business. You would be surprised at how "old school" most of the motorcycle industry is.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
Cheers!
ChinaV
"Most people are very conservative and they get entrenched and resent change.
Illogical change is idiotic.
MJH - all valid points but in the same aspect do you want a Govt agency tracking all your movements. Its very 1984, I ride to be free and get away i wouldnt want someone to track me or how fast I'm not supposed to be going
It does not surprise and they do not and cannot often afford consultants that typically walk through the door with dollar signs in their eyes. Qingqi uses Oracle and they all struggle with it and how to integrate it and fully utilize it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinaV