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Interesting read! Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by nicolast
What else did you inspect at 800km?
Is it necessary to tighten the cylinder head screws? My dealer is saying it would not be necessary, but I am doubtful. :confused1:
Hi,Quote:
Originally Posted by SammyDV
I inspect all levels and srews. Since they are all marked it's relatively easy. I haven't get time to make the 2000km check but will do it this week and update you on the situation. I haven't tighten the cylinder head screws but seems fine so far.
Are you in Shanghai? How many KM is your bike now? Any overheat experience or riding feedback so far?
Thanks,
N
Thanks lots for answers. I've been seriously considering BJ 600 VS 650 NK for my daily commuting (and I mean daily, whatever the weather/season). You say it overheats in traffic so out of my list :( That's a beautiful bike though, pity it runs hot...
Feels like I'll be getting BJ 600 not.
Hi Steve,Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve_Halt
Daily commuting in Shanghai is not suitable for "big bikes" if you are in city center. note that most of the big roads are banned for motorbike. This bike need space despite it's very manoeuvrable. I am also daily commuting in Shanghai and love my new Benelli but I feel so happy to get back my 250cc for most of my inner city trips. I shall say both 125cc or 250cc are fine for commuting, but really forget about these 600cc, you will be frustrated very quickly...
Yeah...
I'm in Nanjing and am currently riding a YaXiang (Asiawing) LD 450 motard, which has had lots of problems (all of them solved except overheating in traffic). I like bigger bikes, though, and would be happy to get back to street bikes. Suzuki GW250 and Yamaha YBR 250 seem to small for me, they don't have any of 250cc Honda here, which actually left me with the choice above. I guess now I should find some dude who has (has had) a CFMoto 650 NK and ask him the similar set of questions. If that one isn't an option, well then, I don't know what to do...
Nice LEM tank bag. I also have a LEM, also from Simon at Qiyi/Spidi. Only thing I don't like about it is that it impedes my freedom to stand on the pegs. That won't be a problem on the Benelli, as it's not designed for standing!
cheers
I have just 500km, but I like to be ahead :icon10:Quote:
Originally Posted by nicolast
Temp is sometimes above 100C, but till now never near 110C; happens mainly in town.
No corrosion on my bike, but I did not travel in rain till now.
Made a confusing discovery: noise from the clutch department when rolling with engaged clutch and accelerating a bit. Noise repeats with each acceleration...
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Originally Posted by Steve_Halt
Nicolast, don't listen to Steve_Halt, he's a masochist. :icon10:Quote:
Originally Posted by nicolast
Aha, I am. I've almost bought that 350cc Regal Raptor bike for my commute. Good thing is, my wife has more reason than I do :)
Sudarnya Stevehaltovskaya, God bless you!!! :icon10:
I had a chance to try a BJ600 for about 50 kms through some twisty mountain roads. The bike had just over 4,000 kms on it.
Caveat - I am definitely NOT a sport bike rider. I have never liked the riding position. I don't like their whining sound. Nor do I see the point in 0 -> warp speed in 3 seconds (F me, that is bloody terrifying!!!!!). And "pucks" are intended to be slap-shot into goals, not stuck on my knees. Hence, I am a prejudiced "evaluator."
Nevertheless, the bike was a lot of fun. You can be very aggressive in and out of corners (stock tires on it), without any apparent concern of the bike doing something silly. It has a nice power band, but tends to be in the higher revs. Not much low end torque, but that is unsurprising.
It runs very smooth and quiet. Braking was excellent. Suspension was good, although it seemed to dive a little bit from a softer-than-expected front end. The bike also seemed to be surprisingly agile, allowing quick little adjustments in turns. Easy to lift the front wheel, even at speed.
The bike's owner is very hard on bikes, but the BJ600 seemed to be staying together. I can't really comment on build quality because I know so little about sport bikes, and therefore can't really compare it to Japanese or Italian thoroughbreds. Comparing it to other bikes I know (which is a little unfair since they are a different genre), the BJ600 seems fine.
Overall, if I was into sport bikes (I'm not), I'd consider this as a viable option inside China. It was a lot of fun, and certainly got the heart pumping.
Another riding buddy, who is an experienced sport bike racer, has been considering one of these. I trust his judgement in the sport bike arena.
PS: Ever notice when you're having a meal with a sport-bike rider, they can't sit still? :lol8:
Thanks for the reviews guys, finally some real info coming in about this bike!
I too finally had the chance to try one of these a couple of days ago. Here it is beside my Molly:
https://xs32sq.bay.livefilestore.com.../DSC04754s.jpg
The bike i tried had 5000km and belonged to a chinese guy who looked like he didn't give it much love. It was dirty and had signs of crashing. He recommended waiting a couple of years for the little niggles to be worked out of the bike.
I had a 15min ride on some big straight roads. It's fast. Nothing below 5000rpm but a lovely bit of power up in the revs and a really nice kick from 10000 right up to the rev limiter. I got it up to 180 before almost hitting a truck head on.
It was really nice to look at while i sat on the side of the road trying to get my adrenaline levels back to normal. Seriously pretty bike.
There were almost no corners where i tried it, but i took it round a big roundabout a couple of times and had fun going deep into it. Nice and stable on the stock Metzlers.
I have no problem with the seat and riding position, i'm 1.80m. Sitting into the front i was nice and upright, jamming my buns back into the hump i could lie down the tank.
Fun as it was, it didn't feel very well rounded. That may be because it's from the first production batch. The rear shock was leaking, the rear plate bracket was falling off. The brakes were VERY grabby, at low speed it felt like the wheel was going to just lock up. At idle speed the engine sounded like a fishing boat.
In summation: very impressed but think i'd rather wait another year.
The GS is controlled by two ECUs from Delphi (MT05). Delphi classifies them as a low cost solution for 1 and 2 cylinder engines. Seems to be a smart selection :mwink:
http://delphi.com/manufacturers/other/powertrain/mt05/
So that makes it not be a 4-cyl engine, but 2 separate parallel twins working in sync. Awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomtom
Put in 2 low-cost ECUs and hope they work as one. Now that's what I call engineering.
Two parallel twins--nice :mwink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve_Halt
Maybe the ECU controls each cylinder independently, w/o considering sensor data of other cylinder(s)? If so it would not matter how many ECUs are installed.
The GS is equipped with four oxygen sensors, one for each cylinder; but (in the past?) other 4-cyl engines are sometimes equipped with just one oxygen sensor. Maybe be an indication...(?)
Could be, but then I don't see the need for 2 ECUs if one can control all the 4 cylinders. And that'd be more sensible because they'd work off one ignition scheme, not two.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomtom
4 oxygen sensors mean that there's input from all 4 cylinders' readings in the ECU. Cylinder by cylinder. Most likely one ECU processes 2 cylinders' readings and another ECU processes other two cylinders. Which increases the chance of failure, BTW.
Now just need to kick back and see how those engines hold up.
Ahem, guys, why are we back talking about this bike in the rumors thread? I, for one, would propose putting this once-useful thread to bed now that we have actual members out riding the actual bike on actual roads in actual China...
cheers!
Right you are!Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
Nicolas, that was absolutely GREAT of you to let me ride your bike yesterday!Quote:
Originally Posted by nicolast
Although I am still not convinced that I will buy one (really considering which one I will sell for that...), it made me confirm that the Benlli is the way to go if ....
It rides great for a 400 ..:mwink:.., is perfectly built in details, and simply looks stunning in white!
Thanks again, see you soon.
Eric
Oh yeah, and this one on the tank brings you back to earth, reminding you where this bike was built.
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"Must put on safety cap and showy protected clothes"
"Don't drive after drink and drug"
It is disappointing to think that they don't even have the time to ask an English speaking foreigner to check over that text.
"Must put on safety cap and showy protected clothes""Don't drive after drink and drug"
^^^That text is what I worry about. That text is exactly what has been written on Qjiang badged bikes for the last five years. It seems there is more Qjiang than Benelli in this bike as a real Benelli would surely be a triple? I'd love to know what an Italian Benelli engineer thinks of this bike. Are Qjiang just using the badge as an advertising strategy, is this bike no more than a Qjiang of old? Will it fall apart at 25,000 kms? Makes me prefer the CFmoto. I'll put up with a little less power for a little more competence and less arrogance any day.
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Originally Posted by ZMC888
Not talking about the brand, the design, not even about 2 or 4 cylinder - this is all just personal preference.
But from a purely technical point of view, the way it is made, the way things fit, the finish of things, the materials used ... I have seen both bikes several times, and it is my strong believe that the Qjiang / Benelli is far far far better constructed then the CF Moto.
I even read on the Benelli forum that the engine was designed by Benelli, but shelved when they got into financial troubles, and kind of revived and finished for this bike. If true, that should explain some.
I have not seen the inside of their engines, but my wrenching experience tells me that the outside tells the inside story - open up a Honda VTR1000 SP-2 and a Ducati 998S - same year, same league, even same price range, but a world difference in parts and components.
Should really like to learn why some people prefer the CF Moto on a technical base, there might be things I missed.
E.
Interesting, although many other people seem to think that the reverse is true. I haven't seen or ridden a Benelli yet so I cannot comment.Quote:
But from a purely technical point of view, the way it is made, the way things fit, the finish of things, the materials used ... I have seen both bikes several times, and it is my strong believe that the Qjiang / Benelli is far far far better constructed then the CF Moto.
This is because some people know Qjiang bikes pretty well, including myself. As a typical Chinese manufacturer that got rich from reverse engineering Honda with poor R&D and appalling customer service. They rate as being fairly good amongst their comparatively appalling Chinese stablemates, certainly no better than Qingqi or Jialing,probably worse. Their Qjiang branded oil was horrid and black when it was new and some of their parts were garbage. So it is up to the individual to shelve this bias from the company we knew before, a company tHt could barely manage to manufacture a reverse engineered CB250 engine from the late 90s but 3-4 years ago, and reports from owners being 5 star or 1 star and no real objective reviews, we are left worrying about this bike, how much is it Qjiang how much Benelli? maybe the parts look good and are made of the right materials, but is there a problem with the design? Are Qjiang cutting costs using their traditional designs under the skin which are not appropriate on a bike like this? Or really is this just a made in China Benelli?Quote:
Should really like to learn why some people prefer the CF Moto on a technical base, there might be things I missed.
Then we have CFMoto that spend more money on R&D and have usually much better customer service. With a much simpler design twin and a better export reputation.
This is a rumours thread, but if someone can add some actual evidence for or against these biases it would really help those of us who are still trying to decide between these bikes.
Hi Eric,Quote:
Originally Posted by 998S
It was my pleasure!
After 7500km within 2 months, I have to say nothing bad happened. I have change the exhaust system and gain more power. Also changed the brakes system into Frando one from Taiwan. Bikes is behaving very well. Time will say the rest...
Cheers,
N
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Originally Posted by ZMC888
Hi Guys,
I would say, just go to the Deping Road in Pudong. Near the ring there is a big shop that offer plenty of Benelli and you can also see some CFMoto....
If you want to see the inside belly of these Benelli just go there to check since they usually have some mechanics working on it.
Anyway, we shall not try to compare these bikes with imported bikes since we are not in the same category...Both bikes have 1000 things to improve or remodel and we know that there is still a long way to go. I have done 7500km with my Benelli and everything works well so far. Saying that, I often visit my shop and make them inspect and try my motorbike. Brakes, Screws (also motor under the tank) is inspected, oils levels, chock system, tires are all inspected and tested by professional mechanics. They also gave me a ID card for my motorbike which they fill up every time they do some operation on the bike (oils, brakes, or else...). Then they told you when you should come back on further points to inspects. You might always find more professional for sure but let say things are on the right. If I feel my life was in danger I would never continue ride this bike....
Roma was not built in on day!
Cheers,
N
I'm one of those who chose CFMoto over QJiang-Benelli and there're several reasons for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 998S
One: CFMoto has been designed in-house from ground up by the people who I can actually talk to and get the info needed.
Two: Benelli seems not to have manufactured reliable bikes (beautiful/sexy/awesome - yes; reliable - no). Neither has QJiang. Do the math.
Three: Quality control. CFMoto's quality control is linear, straightforward and is carried out at the same manufacturing facility continuously throughout the bike assembly process. I tried to get through to QJiang QC - to no avail. Asked at the shops - no info. I know nothing about their QC. They themselves seem to know nothing about their QC. Why should I trust them?
Four: QJiang is supported by government. That is, they don't have to fight for the market or revenue. They'll always have steady money flow, which allows them kick back and relax. CFMoto, on the contrary, is a private company with is far more dependent on the end-user experience.
Five: I do city riding, no track. I need torque down there low, 3K RPM or so. CFMoto delivers here. You have to rev QJiang-Benelli much higher. I don't feel like it.
That said, I'm not bragging about my bike, it's Chinese still no matter how much it resembles ER6N. I still like Benelli's design over CFMoto's (they actually designed something, not reverse-engineered it). I'm waiting/hoping for Benelli supermoto to hit the shops sometime.