Buying a QingQi in Shanghai

I'm looking for a good bike to take me and the missus cross country for 3 weeks during the summer. I first thought a cruiser would be a good choice but have been advised to go with a dual-sport.

So I had another poke about the other day to see what else was available. Went to an empty parking lot and a hotel which were sopposed to be zongshen and qingqi dealerships respectively. I eventually found another qingqi dealership near the b address of google maps result for qingqi motuoche (ie. address was also incorrect). the shop was chock full of scooters and 125 standards. there was one cruiser and a liger (200gy) in the front corner. the liger looked class but he wanted 15800 for it. non- negotiable he said. Checked the eqingqi shop and after sometime with my dictionary I found I had ordered one for only 0 rmb plus delivery (200rmb) I called them and found out that the dont actualy have any of the bikes in stock. they told me the bike i saw in the dealership was not going to be released until august. Called a dealer in hangzhou, he said that he will have one next week for a bit over 7000. Dont know what the difference between them is. You have the qm200gy b(a)/b(sd)/b(asd)/2b/i and so on so forth. From the site i can only find superficial differences, the specs seem the same but the bikes look different.

In short im drowning in a load of bs. Will try the dealership again with a chinese in my stead otherwise will have to train it to hangzhou to buy it, figure out how to ride it quicksnap and bring it home under cover of darkness (written test for driving licence on tuesday :)).

Any advice or offers of help in this respect would be greatly appreciated.

Dear Clegg,

I rolled up next to a nice looking Qingqi a while back on Wuzhong Lu, and asked the guy where he bought it. He said there was a dealer near there. I didn't get the address but made a mental note to check it out. I remember chasing down a list of putative dealers here in Shanghai, and maybe even posting it in MCM. Unless it's been leveled for a new overpriced housing estate, the place the guy mentioned should be out in the general vicinity of the Dragon Rider shop at 2632 Wuzhong Lu (吴中路 2632号), somewhere near the Middle Ring.

Google lists the following locations:

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上海轻骑摩托车专卖有限公司，浦建路111号, Pudong Xinqu, Shanghai - 021-58898693

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轻骑摩托车专卖店，张杨路1685号, Pudong Xinqu, Shanghai

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东余杭路附近, Hongkou, Shanghai

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Alas, none is anywhere near Wuzhong Lu. Are any of these the ones you tried to find? Did you try that phone number?

Say, isn't Felix waiting for delivery of a new Qingqi? (Felix is out doing sidecar tours in the rain this morning, but hopefully he can chime in on the source of his new ride.)

Hope you find something! I'll nose around too.

cheers

yea I tried the first two addresses. the first one both the number and the address belong to a hotel. Second one is where I met the guy who wanted the 15800 dowry, there must be some confusion but I managed to get a price from the factory.... they said that the bike I saw in the shop will be selling for around 10k in august, must be a mix-up, but I have pics of the bike and compared to the one on the website and they're the same. Didnt know the one in hongkou. May check it out tomorrow after I have my chinese teacher take a shot at the second one again. Will be happy to see his face if she gets a good price and I roll up and lay down a deposit. will be in wuzhong on tuesday for written test so will scope about.

C'mon felix :) Just p'md him

The one called 'liger' is a 250, not 200.

I do indeed have one on order, but you're not going to hear anything nice from me. I ordered it direct from the factory in shandong, via a contact that a nice person gave me, in f#$%ing February. Qinqi are totally incapable of meeting their own deadlines and have absolutely no interest in their customers. They have totally ruined all my bike trip plans for which i had allocated time off work in may. On top of that it cannot be registered. I do not recommend getting one like that.

Either wait for them to be officially in the dealers or look for something else. Whatever you do, do not try dealing with the factory; they are government owned so it's a lost cause...

Sorry to hear that man. I have noticed that a bit (about not about not caring for the customers. Im going around today again to try find a shop/haggle some more for the one i found. which one did you order? how much was it? do you know the difference between the different models? i cant figure it out like b(a), b(asd), b(sd)

Mine is the b(asd), cost 14000.

See if the one in the shop is fuel injected or carburetted, the difference in price might be there. Mine has a carburetor and can't be registered, but the fuel injection version (EFI) should be registerable. If you don't know how to tell the difference search the forum, it's been covered a lot too

Got it, deposit down. Took my chinese teacher with me to the shop. Got them down to 14000 quite easily (could've got more) but I got a bit excited and they reckoned 14 enough. The owner of the shop was pretty cool. Seems pretty genuine, he said tho that he cant register me for the licence plate if im not shanghainese. I saw a post of someone here who knows how to do it as a foreigner, if you read this let me know who you are otherwise I will go through the threads again. Also he said if I can't get the gike taken for no licence plate and if I do to call him and he'll help me out of it. I think he said he knows someone.

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QM200 GY B(A)
Now just three long weeks to wait to gather the rest of the money and learn how to drive :p and I have my first bike :DD can't f**king wait

Congratulations! Lots of folks in this forum riding various flavors of that bike, all of them smiling. Check out another thread today on dual sport luggage for the Qingqi rack, which is all of 80 rmb in taobao.

Nice!

Now about registration, the shop owner may have never registered a bike for a non-local, but if it can be registered for a local it can be registered for a foreigner. There is no longer this kind of discrimination, and he is presumably just not up to speed. If he's saying the bike CAN be registered in Shanghai, you are good to go! If you are outside of downtown, go for the 沪C plate and you'll be in business in a couple of weeks.

Look forward to riding with you!

cheers

*low bow* thanks a million euph for all you help, you rock. The heads up on the luggage rack was the cherry.

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Originally Posted by corporal_clegg

Got it, deposit down. Took my chinese teacher with me to the shop. Got them down to 14000 quite easily (could've got more) but I got a bit excited and they reckoned 14 enough. The owner of the shop was pretty cool. Seems pretty genuine, he said tho that he cant register me for the licence plate if im not shanghainese. I saw a post of someone here who knows how to do it as a foreigner, if you read this let me know who you are otherwise I will go through the threads again. Also he said if I can't get the gike taken for no licence plate and if I do to call him and he'll help me out of it. I think he said he knows someone.

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QM200 GY B(A)
Now just three long weeks to wait to gather the rest of the money and learn how to drive :p and I have my first bike :DD can't f**king wait

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Hi Corporal, it might be you read my post before. I was at the same dealer about 10 days ago. He told me exactly the same story. BTW: I saw this bike about 16 months ago stored there for the first time. That time he told me 14800 and 13800 after short negotiation. So, I thought now, after 1.5 years the bike is so outdated I get it for 10000. This was about 2 months ago I went to him with cash but we stopped at 13000 and I left. Finally, 10 days ago I was there again and told him go ahead with 13k and arrange the Hu C paltes, please. He said, this will be 22k in total. Fine... But at the end of our talk he said actually he does not know how to arrange it for a foreigner withou SH hukou
and how much rmb I have to spend in addition to "convience" the authority in charge. He promissed to figure it out and call back my wife (the guy does not speak EN). Since then he never called back. So I guess I will forget him. BTW: the bike has a carb and is the 2009 model, China 2 standard, but the lao ban said he was able to get the plates as "backdated" or so. Funny thing about him is also, as I argued the bike is no more new and can have potentially internal damages from corrosion (engine, front brake) he refused as he said the bike has not seen any gasoline in the tank yet and as such is dry and new, ha ha.

Cheers,

Maciej

PS: actually I was intending to order a JH600 (got the opportunity to make a short test ride on Milton's - thanks to you!) But for the moment I decided to buy something lightweighted as a beginner rider in SH. I think if i have the plates, i can change any time to the JH600 or any bigger bike, let's see.

Dear Macieq,

motokai and I went out for a spin on our JH600s today and had a riot. Blasted out the western outer ring all the way Pudong airport, then rode the seawalls behind the airport and ventured out into a bit of mud, which was fun but not an excellent idea given that we're both on the last legs of our stock tires and weren't generating much traction!

Would be great to have another Jialing in the band, and even if you are a small, light rider I'd not worry too much about the heft of the bike. Motokai is a lot lighter than me -- probably 70kg to my 90 (!!) and we both manage to have a lot of fun.

Ditto for you Colonel_Clegg, if your budget can handle it. As you've seen in Pfaelzer's threads, the Jialing is a champion when it comes to riding distance two-up with luggage. She goes and goes, and gives little fuss. Motokai and I are within 2k clicks of five digits on the odometer, and Milton is already past 10k. The problems have been manageable, and the bike she just keeps on giving.

Can you tell I'm happy to be back on the bike after nine months of rehabilitation?

cheers!

lol. wish you had said something sooner

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Can you tell I'm happy to be back on the bike after nine months of rehabilitation?

cheers!

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oops, I did not know about the reha. Hope it wasn't a bike accident? I just kissed the asphalt yesterday on an E-bike! Slippery wet pedestrian crossing white paint. I drove so slowly and it was like a real beginners mistake! It has never happened on my BMW before. Is the white paint more slippery in SH or the scooter tires worse :icon10:? I don't know.

Regarding the JH600 I am not sure at the moment. As I wrote before it is either higher heavier than my BMW back in Germany. Just the purpose and traffic in SH, perhaps. Besides this I thought I might wait until Jialing has sorted out the EFI set-up which seems not smooth enough. But you are right, I have seen Milton's odo - 11k.

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Originally Posted by euphonius

Now about registration, the shop owner may have never registered a bike for a non-local, but if it can be registered for a local it can be registered for a foreigner. There is no longer this kind of discrimination, and he is presumably just not up to speed.
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You mean as long as I have the B-zheng right? Do you remember how much you paid for processing yours? I have a contact who helps me with legal documents here but not for free so would be handy to know the basic cost.

The B证 helps, because it formally establishes the link between your (foreign) legal identity and your Chinese identity. But it is not essential. Motokai registered in his own name without one. ryanjpyle and I used the B证 successfully. It's simply nonsense that you as a foreigner cannot register a motorcycle in Shanghai in your own name. Lots of us have done it, without any drama.

The B证 is actually pretty useless, but it's cool to have. It's like having a Shanghai 户口.

cheers

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Originally Posted by corporal_clegg

lol. wish you had said something sooner

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Nothing bad has happened yet! I've just read your post. But go ahead with him, no problem. I've told myself already, if he does not call back I will not ask him again. Perhaps his uncertainity originates mainly from what Eupho said: he does not know how to handle the licensing issue with a foreigner. I think you can press the price down to 13k as he already agreed before.

I am still not sure which bike i should get. I have some more options at present:

- Jialing JH600 is available within 4 weeks - confirmed by them

- Galaxy XTR250, will be available from July, they wrote some emails to me. However, this bike seems too high for me: http://www.galaxymotorcycle.com/inde...hk=1&Itemid=79

- WONJAN Suzuki GN250. Oldfashioned bike with a GN250 Suzuki engine. The salesman of Wonjan said to me on QQ this engine is better than the GS 250 Suzuki engine from Qingqi. Anybody knows more about? The GN is oldfashioned but is said to have agood availability of spare parts a the seat height is 700 mm only. This is even much lower than I need. The GN250 is availabe in stock at WONJAN factory. 14k ex works.

- ChinaV's Yingang YG250NF. No quotation yet. No idea of availability. Bike looks nice besides the welds on the frame - this is a no go, actually.

- Regal Raptor DD250-2N - post of Dewsnap. No contact with the supplier yet.

- Shineray XY250GY-2: Probably the same problem with the height.

What is the B-zheng? I am very interested in this matter as the only I know in this matter is what the dealer said. Who seems not having any idea...

:s i've already put down the deposit so I don't feel like breaking my agreement and haggling some more. I wont be getting another bike for a few years (i hope) so no jialing for me. Still would like to tag along with you guys tho sometime. I assume ill be eating dust but I would like to get to know the roads a bit.

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:s i've already put down the deposit so I don't feel like breaking my agreement and haggling some more. I wont be getting another bike for a few years (i hope) so no jialing for me. Still would like to tag along with you guys tho sometime. I assume ill be eating dust but I would like to get to know the roads a bit.

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Corporal, you are right. My intention wasn't to tell you you should break an agreement and push the price down. I've just overseen at the beginning of this thread that you've put a deposit already.

I have found out about the B-zheng in the meantime. A thread of Euphonius again. Man, you are Shanghai Lao Wai's Wikipedia! I think I could get this plastic card as well. But optionally I could try the card of my wife. She does not have the SH hukou but the Shanghai Residence Card. We'll see.

I just read in full the post of Euphonius about getting legal plates in Shanghai. This is amazing! I thought till today the Germans are world champions in bureaucracy. But Germany is just a kindergarden playground as compared with China. There is still space for improvement! In serious: the bad perspective for China is, excessive bureaucracy always causes just too much corruption.

I want to post a short off topic story about plating vehicles in Europe. The German government launched a programme to boost up the automotive industry 2 years ago. it was the so called "envoirmental voucher". One got 2500 Euro voucher for scrapping a 10 years or more old car. Mine was such. BTW the new car did not need to be bought in Germany, just in the EU. On the other hand Poland was an EU member but they still had their own currency Zloty. That time the zloty was very weak against Euro. So, I ordered online a car in poland saving 30%. The Polish dealer fedexed the Declaration of Conformity to me. It took 1 day. There is an European Directive harmonizing the registration process in all member states. The funny thing was the car was made in Germany and the Declaration of Conformity was issued in Germany, too. Having it I went to the Zulassungsstelle (vehicle registration office) next day. The registration process - without having the car physically there - took less than one hour (without any bullshit like engraving the number to the hardware or taking pics). And it was charged at 70 Euro. For bikes it is 40 Euro, disregarded the province or displacement or any other sick idea. Having the plates in my beg I took a plane to Gdansk for 50 euro (cheap airline Wizzair), fixed the plates and went back to Germany the next day, 800 km trip. This was lean! God save China!

Reminds me of driving by car from Warsaw to Berlin back in 1989, before the changes, of course. There was a known speed trap just inside the Polish border, where all cars with German plates were waved over for speeding, regardless of how fast they were driving. The Polish policeman was very polite, and informed me I was speeding and the fine was 10,000 zlotys. I suppressed a grin. He sensed I was not German and asked me if that was a big fine in my country. I said, yes, it was very big -- "einen grossen Strafe, einen ganz grossen Strafe!" He smiled, took my cash, and waved me on. In fact, as I recall, it was about US$4 at the prevailing exchange rate.

tschüß!