Buying a QingQi in Shanghai

[euphonius]

Dear Macieq,

motokai and I went out for a spin on our JH600s today and had a riot. Blasted out the western outer ring all the way Pudong airport, then rode the seawalls behind the airport and ventured out into a bit of mud, which was fun but not an excellent idea given that we're both on the last legs of our stock tires and weren't generating much traction!

Would be great to have another Jialing in the band, and even if you are a small, light rider I'd not worry too much about the heft of the bike. Motokai is a lot lighter than me -- probably 70kg to my 90 (!!) and we both manage to have a lot of fun.

Ditto for you Colonel_Clegg, if your budget can handle it. As you've seen in Pfaelzer's threads, the Jialing is a champion when it comes to riding distance two-up with luggage. She goes and goes, and gives little fuss. Motokai and I are within 2k clicks of five digits on the odometer, and Milton is already past 10k. The problems have been manageable, and the bike she just keeps on giving.

Can you tell I'm happy to be back on the bike after nine months of rehabilitation?

cheers!

[corporal_clegg]

lol. wish you had said something sooner

[macieq]

Can you tell I'm happy to be back on the bike after nine months of rehabilitation?

cheers!

oops, I did not know about the reha. Hope it wasn't a bike accident? I just kissed the asphalt yesterday on an E-bike! Slippery wet pedestrian crossing white paint. I drove so slowly and it was like a real beginners mistake! It has never happened on my BMW before. Is the white paint more slippery in SH or the scooter tires worse ? I don't know.

Regarding the JH600 I am not sure at the moment. As I wrote before it is either higher heavier than my BMW back in Germany. Just the purpose and traffic in SH, perhaps. Besides this I thought I might wait until Jialing has sorted out the EFI set-up which seems not smooth enough. But you are right, I have seen Milton's odo - 11k.

[corporal_clegg]

Now about registration, the shop owner may have never registered a bike for a non-local, but if it can be registered for a local it can be registered for a foreigner. There is no longer this kind of discrimination, and he is presumably just not up to speed.
cheers

You mean as long as I have the B-zheng right? Do you remember how much you paid for processing yours? I have a contact who helps me with legal documents here but not for free so would be handy to know the basic cost.

[euphonius]

The B证 helps, because it formally establishes the link between your (foreign) legal identity and your Chinese identity. But it is not essential. Motokai registered in his own name without one. ryanjpyle and I used the B证 successfully. It's simply nonsense that you as a foreigner cannot register a motorcycle in Shanghai in your own name. Lots of us have done it, without any drama.

The B证 is actually pretty useless, but it's cool to have. It's like having a Shanghai 户口.

cheers

[macieq]

lol. wish you had said something sooner

Nothing bad has happened yet! I've just read your post. But go ahead with him, no problem. I've told myself already, if he does not call back I will not ask him again. Perhaps his uncertainity originates mainly from what Eupho said: he does not know how to handle the licensing issue with a foreigner. I think you can press the price down to 13k as he already agreed before.

I am still not sure which bike i should get. I have some more options at present:

- Jialing JH600 is available within 4 weeks - confirmed by them

- Galaxy XTR250, will be available from July, they wrote some emails to me. However, this bike seems too high for me: http://www.galaxymotorcycle.com/inde...hk=1&Itemid=79

- WONJAN Suzuki GN250. Oldfashioned bike with a GN250 Suzuki engine. The salesman of Wonjan said to me on QQ this engine is better than the GS 250 Suzuki engine from Qingqi. Anybody knows more about? The GN is oldfashioned but is said to have agood availability of spare parts a the seat height is 700 mm only. This is even much lower than I need. The GN250 is availabe in stock at WONJAN factory. 14k ex works.

- ChinaV's Yingang YG250NF. No quotation yet. No idea of availability. Bike looks nice besides the welds on the frame - this is a no go, actually.

- Regal Raptor DD250-2N - post of Dewsnap. No contact with the supplier yet.

- Shineray XY250GY-2: Probably the same problem with the height.

[macieq]

What is the B-zheng? I am very interested in this matter as the only I know in this matter is what the dealer said. Who seems not having any idea...

[corporal_clegg]

:s i've already put down the deposit so I don't feel like breaking my agreement and haggling some more. I wont be getting another bike for a few years (i hope) so no jialing for me. Still would like to tag along with you guys tho sometime. I assume ill be eating dust but I would like to get to know the roads a bit.

[macieq]

:s i've already put down the deposit so I don't feel like breaking my agreement and haggling some more. I wont be getting another bike for a few years (i hope) so no jialing for me. Still would like to tag along with you guys tho sometime. I assume ill be eating dust but I would like to get to know the roads a bit.

Corporal, you are right. My intention wasn't to tell you you should break an agreement and push the price down. I've just overseen at the beginning of this thread that you've put a deposit already.

I have found out about the B-zheng in the meantime. A thread of Euphonius again. Man, you are Shanghai Lao Wai's Wikipedia! I think I could get this plastic card as well. But optionally I could try the card of my wife. She does not have the SH hukou but the Shanghai Residence Card. We'll see.

[macieq]

I just read in full the post of Euphonius about getting legal plates in Shanghai. This is amazing! I thought till today the Germans are world champions in bureaucracy. But Germany is just a kindergarden playground as compared with China. There is still space for improvement! In serious: the bad perspective for China is, excessive bureaucracy always causes just too much corruption.