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[MJH]

You think that is a horizontal engine in that bike?

It is a mini isn't it...

[MJH]

I have thought about a horizontal model, but not with a standard frame, it have to be larger and also have a larger engine. Lifan has added some engines to it site.



Model: 1P52FMH-3N
Type: Single-cylinder,four-stroke,air-cooled three-valve
double-automatic clutched 110cc
Displacement: 107ml
Compression ratio: 9.5:1
Primary reduction: 4.059
Bore*Stroke: 52.4mm*49.5mm
Max.Power & Rotating Speed: 7.0kw/8500r/min
Max.Net Power & Rotating Speed: 6.7kw/8500r/min
Rated Power & Rotating Speed: 6.5kw/8500r/min
Max.Torpue & Rotating Speed: 8.0N.m/6500r/min
Min.Fuel Consumption: ≤367g/kw.h
Ldling Speed:1500r/min
Ignition:CDI
Starter:Electric starter/kick starter
Lubrication: Pressure/splash
Transmission:4 speed



As for what I would put it in it look like this, which is a SL70 modified to have a longer wheelbase.

[Zorge]

You think that is a horizontal engine in that bike?

Not necessarily. In his portfolio, "Lifan" has 50 and 100 cc "bent" horizontals (same lower engine exept cylinder shaft moved up, same head, and cylinder fitted with standard cam chain tensioner.

Lifan has added some engines to it site.

Which one's new? This 3 valve 110cc?

I think i saw those on their site long time ago.

As for what I would put it in it look like this, which is a SL70 modified to have a longer wheelbase.

Remember "Hanway's" li'l retro "Raw" 50, fitted with horizontal and with half duplex "Grissini"* frame? That is good and affordable base for your project bike.

"Grissini"* - it is Italian word, but not another Italian motorcyle frame or builder like "Tonti", "Verlicchi", "Ceriani", "Ciemme"... I mean, this "Hanway's" frame is thin as much as decent grissini bread stick.

[Cardillac]

http://lifan-europe.com/ has apparently closed its business in Europe. The headquarters was in Neuss / Germany since 2008. I drive a Lifan 250-4 (Replica of Honda CMX250) and now get no spare parts any more. Neither newspapers nor in the Internet was to read about the business breakdown of Lifan-Europe. They disappeared in avery quiet way. Nobody noticed anything. I had my last contact to Lifan in 2013.

Does anyone know exactly, what was going on with Lifan-Europe?

[humanbeing]

...drive a Lifan 250-4 (Replica of Honda CMX250) and now get no spare parts any more...

CA250 clone http://www.h6.dion.ne.jp/~nori-to/re..._database.html
List what u need, we may find the alternative that works http://www.impex-jp.com/catalogs/mot.../16kr3fj2.html

[MJH]

http://lifan-europe.com/ has apparently closed its business in Europe. The headquarters was in Neuss / Germany since 2008. I drive a Lifan 250-4 (Replica of Honda CMX250) and now get no spare parts any more. Neither newspapers nor in the Internet was to read about the business breakdown of Lifan-Europe. They disappeared in avery quiet way. Nobody noticed anything. I had my last contact to Lifan in 2013.

Does anyone know exactly, what was going on with Lifan-Europe?

It looks like they had some good clearance prices, I would have bought one of the naked 250 for $2100.00

[Cardillac]

It looks like they had some good clearance prices, I would have bought one of the naked 250 for $2100.00

Telefone doesn't work, e-mails won't be answered.

[Cardillac]

Apart from this: It seems to me as if Lifan has made the mistake, to establish itself by low prices in the German market. But that does not work here. Lifans vehicles were denigrated and called China scrap. That is why the low pricec didn't help further.

There are young people and people with small incomes who would buy cheap and technically simple vehicles. For those people it is necessary to provide assistance on how to repair their bikes by themselves. These aids are, for example, organized in Internet forums. Lifan should have been active in those places.

You can only use the price advantage of Chinese motorcycles, if you can deal with their technical deficiencies and if they can be resolved without outside intervention. No German motorcycle workshop repaires Chinese motorcycles. If you arrive with something like that, they throw you out of the shop.

Motor biking has become something for rich and elderly men in Germany. Therefore, there are mostly expensive and large machines offered here. Young people do not drive bike because they can not afford these machines.

There is no market for small motorcycles in Germany. This market should be created. Lifan did not understand this fact. They thought, they would suceed with their low prices. And now they diappeared in a very silent and shameful way. That's too bad.

[MJH]

Registrations - Year 2015

Monthly registrations of PTWs

PTW

Powered-two wheeled (MP + MC)

MC

Motorcycle

MP

Moped

Key markets

Blank

Not available

Country	January			February			March
	PTW	MC	MP	PTW	MC	MP	PTW	MC
Austria	603	263	340	1078	554	524	5504	3672	1832
Belgium	1693	980	713	2698	1837	861	4050	2848	1202
Czech Rep	345	306	39	465	415	50	1580	1414	166
Germany	4620	3444	1176	9866	8003	1863	33104	28600	4504
Denmark	522	52	470	641	83	558	1197	330	867
Estonia	16	15	1	46	26	20	138	59	79
Finland	150	74	76	198	87	111	1076	386	690
France	13493	8483	5010	14079	9274	4805	21692	15718	5974
UK	5051	4486	565	3966	3516	450	16377	15463	914
Greece	1786	1786	0	1548	1546	2	2276	2275	1
Croatia	98	59	39	76	48	28	0	0	0
Hungary	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Ireland	144	111	33	92	70	22	0	0	0
Italy	10758	9296	1462	11391	9943	1448	18510	16570	1940
Lithuania	10	6	4	31	11	20	121	46	75
Luxembourg	57	40	17	118	81	37	285	223	62
Latvia	35	10	25	65	24	41	212	76	136
Netherlands	4460	675	3785	4135	635	3500	7013	1864	5149
Poland	1383	531	852	2166	939	1227	5583	2627	2956
Portugal	1076	939	137	976	862	114	1460	1305	155
Roumania	32	18	14	39	27	12	0	0	0
Spain	7845	6878	967	7964	6884	1080	12111	10934	1177
Slovakia
Slovenia	48	15	33	159	57	102
Sweden	145	145		293	293		1332	1332
Bulgaria
Cyprus
Malta
Total	54370	38612	15758	62090	45215	16875	133621	105742	27879

This is a little off center, the headers MP for the last column is missing it has three month of new registrations for 2015.
Germany is the third largest market for mopeds after France and the Netherlands, the largest market for motorcycles sales, bet the lion share of those are BMW.

[MJH]

I would have based them out of Romania, bet that is a large un developed market. But they would have to have better offerings, or offerings that made more sense.

Germany has the same learner class as other EU countries, Honda sells only the CBR125R and for about 4,000 EUR. The 250 in Europe are lame ducks as the beginner cannot ride them, by the time they get past learner they are beyond the 250 for most, they look to 500-650cc.

Lifan should have offered 125cc in Europe, it has been said already they need 15hp 125cc bikes. The CBR125R has 14hp.
If they offered the KP model and with a good 125cc engine it would have and would still do better for them as would having full line of 125cc models. Then a model like the DOHC “DEEPA” could also be offered Honda sell the CRF250L in Germany for about 4,755 EURO so the Lifan bike could be offered for 3,500.00 and should have a 2yr warranty.

How hard would it be for Lifan to offer a DOHC sport bike to compete with the CBR300R in Germany? Not a copy of it like so many are doing, just a similar type offering. It is only a fuel injected 300cc single.
To me everything about Lifan is hair brained.

Part of the assimilation to the EU will be setting up learner classifications....some have yet to do that. In the end all the members will have 125cc classes no?