Hear this all, just a reminder,don't get too serious, lighten up, this is just a forum! Read for yourself, make your decisions and have fun. Nuances of tone and humour don't carry easily in posts as you will know very well if you read some of mine. You are all crazy yankee (and southern) bastards anyway - you buy and ride cheap, 'chinese crap' bikes and ride them and find them interesting enough to take pretty pictures of them, spend more money on them and then talk about them publically on an International forum? That is nuts enough to start with.

Barnone started the whole 'hardtail chinese crap' thing pretty much with the Dong fan thread thus has bragging rights - and then we got the great news of another similar machine, the Heist. Thats all it is, a similar machine, some things on each will suit particular individuals more than the other. So what? Most of us think all you hardtail riders have crushed balls and damaged brains. Its not important, it is just insult without injury.

Both Barnone and Gardo have over time made the odd comment here and there about the 'rival' machine, and I think always in good heart. They have also made positive comments.

Digsat each other are allowed, off-colour comments and wind-ups are allowed, jokes (good or bad) are allowed, dissing is allowed. Rivalry is encouraged, brings colour and passion. Flaming is not.

Over and out.