CCW tha Heist

[turner82]

Welcome Scootdog PIT is writing up a new manual for the bike. They are going through it piece by piece and their lead engineer is taking care of it.

That is fantastic news!

[KawboyBob]

Hey Bob,

I think its between 15 - 25 Kilovolts but will need to check. There is a wire schematic in the manual, but the manual sux LoL.
I might see if I can find it and scan it up

No, I don't think so. If it produced 15-25 kilovolts I don't think you would go any where near it, lol. I think you mean watts, but even 15-25 kilowatts would be equivalent to 20-33 hp. I'm going to assume it's in the 150 watt range, or about 12 amps available current. Since my last post I've done some further research and found a reference that said as much. But thanks for the response.

Some more questions, ... in the videos of the Heist and the similar 250 from extreme scooters, the D250RTB, the exhaust seems awfully loud on both bikes. Are those the stock muffler I'm hearing?

Does the Heist really weigh 420 lbs or is that the shipping weight? That seems awfully heavy for a 250.

[turner82]

Must be the shipping weight, I think the dry weight on the bike is about 260lbs

I'm not sure which videos you're referring to, but I'm sure they have modified exhausts, the stock exhaust is pretty darn quiet. That's why I put the G&D on (it's good to be seen AND heard on the road, safety first ;) )

[barnone]

No, I don't think so. If it produced 15-25 kilovolts I don't think you would go any where near it, lol. I think you mean watts, but even 15-25 kilowatts would be equivalent to 20-33 hp. I'm going to assume it's in the 150 watt range, or about 12 amps available current. Since my last post I've done some further research and found a reference that said as much. But thanks for the response.

Some more questions, ... in the videos of the Heist and the similar 250 from extreme scooters, the D250RTB, the exhaust seems awfully loud on both bikes. Are those the stock muffler I'm hearing?

Does the Heist really weigh 420 lbs or is that the shipping weight? That seems awfully heavy for a 250.

Kaw,
Take any info you hear on this thread with a grain of salt. Lots of misinformation being posted.

The stator output of the 167FMM engine is probably marginal and if you plan to add a load like heated clothing you will probably be in trouble. It's hard to get valid data on these Chinese bikes. You might have to measure the output yourself to get valid data.

I have the DF250RTB and the stock exhaust is very loud. I added a 8" baffle to tone it down. It appears that the exhaust mod that is being done to the Heist muffler emulates the DF exhaust so should be very loud. A lot of bikers mistakenly equate loudness to power.


Ebay sourced baffle I installed in the DF muffler.

[Kb96gt]

Welcome Kaw. The stock exhaust is quiet. As the miles go on it gets a little deeper. I run the G&D full pipe now and put a 4" baffle in, still sounds great but not insulting to everyone around you. Enough to be heard, not enough to worry about getting tickets around here.

The electro diagram in the manual is not that bad actually. It's helped me out a few times. Good enough to quickly trace down a wire or two. Not good enough to tell you how many gigawattz the mag is putting out.

[Kb96gt]

Jers,
This started when Gardo made the claim that the Dong Fang was an illegal copy of the Heist I guess told to him by CCW or Pit.
The point is that the Heist is a modified copy of the Hardknock 200 not the Hardknock 125.

Hardknock 200


Heist

The story is that the CCW guy had a falling out with the Hardknock guy and went to China and got the Hardknock 200 bike modified.

Yep barnone, lots of misinformation floating around here.

[Gardo]

Misinformation on the web in a forum board, NOOOOOOO say it aint so.

Bob the bike is about 325 - 330lbs. I'm running a modified Weaver Pipe which deepens it out a bit, not loud at all when sitting at a light and not terribly obnoxious while riding. i find it just right for me.
There is a growing support network, for the Heist. Though the bike is currently manufactured in China the company is American and quite responsive to questions.
For the really heavy technical stuff contact Al alan@pitmotorsltd.com from PIT Motors LTD. PIT is the distributor for the CCW bikes. the rest of us are just guys who bought and love the bike. We try to help one another out but sometimes our lack of knowledge can peak through.
There is a lot of great info in this thread and the best part is that the tha Heist is completely legal to be in and Sold in all 50 States

[Kb96gt]

Here's a vid of my well broken in stock exhaust:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kb96gt/5502871897/


Contrast that with the un-baffled G&D pipe:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kb96gt/5564888553/

Need to get a vid with the baffle in... will do shortly!

[lewnor]

Welcome Scootdog PIT is writing up a new manual for the bike. They are going through it piece by piece and their lead engineer is taking care of it.

Thank god.

[barnone]

Yep barnone, lots of misinformation floating around here.

Kb96gt,
Look at the two photos. The frames are very similar. See how the air cleaner has to be angled out on both frames? That's because Hardknock used the frame from the Hardknock 125 which was designed for a smaller engine.

If you were designing a new frame for the Heist would you have it set up that way?

Just asking.