Driving in Shanghai: Traffic lights, big avenues and one-way streets?

[TB-Racing]

That's it: what's your way???

not going downtown Shanghai at all with big bikes, got Shanghai "A" plate on one bike but can't be bothered to squeeze through the madness...

225 km/h on a Chinese expwy is a suicide attempt and, besides a hefty fine, he should have lost all his licenses

have done faster on Sunday morning runs with cars and bikes (with the help of radar detectors), c'mon - don't tell me you always obey the speed limit while in China.....
he lost his full (complete) Chinese driving license for two years (500RMB fine).

[TB-Racing]

Expat scooter rider killed by taxi in Xuhui District


By Dong Zhen | 2012-10-11 | ONLINE EDITION SHANGHAI DAILY


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A foreigner was killed this morning when his scooter was hit by a taxi on downtown Wulumuqi Road, according to xinmin.cn.


The accident happened around 7:30am near intersection of Wulumuqi Road and Hengshan Road in Xuhui District. The victim was a man and his identity has not been disclosed.


Witnesses said he was riding a scooter when he was knocked off by the taxi.


One witness said he heard a big noise and then saw the foreigner lying on the sidewalk close to a Blue-Alliance taxi.


The man was still alive when paramedics arrived but emergency treatment failed to save his life.


The accident caused big congestion on the two roads during the morning rush hour.

[Topmanda]

it is quite shocking as it's a rare incident in Shanghai (a foreigner dying in a scooter crash).
Another article below:


Foreign man dies after motorcycle collides with taxi
Global Times | 2012-10-11 22:45:06
By Chen Xiaoru
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A foreign man was killed in a traffic accident during rush hour Thursday morning at the intersection of Wulumuqi Road South and Hengshan Road in Xuhui district, according to Shanghai Television Station.

The man was riding a motorcycle along Wulumuqi Road South around 7:30 am when he collided with a taxi as it made a left turn onto Wulumuqi Road South from Hengshan Road.

Paramedics pronounced him dead at the scene, according to a Shanghai Television Station report.

He was not carrying any identification, according to the police.

Police had not identified the man as of Thursday evening, said Tao Jiong, an officer with Xuhui district police. They did not know if he had run a red light or if he had been drinking before the accident.

A witness who posted a picture of the scene on his microblog said that the man looked young and was wearing a T-shirt and jeans.

"I saw the foreign man lying on the ground as I stepped out of my home. He was not moving and was covered with thick blood below his neck. His motorcycle was leaking fuel everywhere," he told the Global Times.

The witness said that the man's body was lying on the ground about five meters behind the taxi. The front end of the motorcycle was seriously damaged.

The accident disrupted traffic on Hengshan Road in the morning, according to a report on the local news website xinmin.cn.

Another witness said that the man's body was taken away in a hearse.

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Wearing T-shirt and jeans and...no mention of the helmet...my guess: none. So many of us foreigners driving scooters in Shanghai downtown up to 80km/h, wearing flip-flops and bermuda shorts. Personaly, after riding here for 6 years here, is that about 90% of them don't go for the helmet and unfortunately I use to be part of this stats for a loooooong time.

[TB-Racing]

Expat killed in accident identified as French


By Dong Zhen | 2012-10-12 | ONLINE EDITION SHANGHAI DAILY
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THE foreigner killed in a car crash yesterday morning in downtown city is now identified by police as a 33-year-old French resident in Shanghai with three children.


Local media reported today that early police investigation showed he moved to work in Shanghai years ago with his wife and children.


Police suspected that the scooter he rode during the accident had a fake license, reported local media.


The accident happened about 7am yesterday morning at the intersection of Wulumuqi and Hengshan roads in Xuhui District. A witness said the scooter had run the red light and was then hit by a taxi.


Police had questioned the cabbie and the investigation is still under way.

[Topmanda]

Yesterday News on ICS, I'm warning you it's not for the faint of heart:

http://shanghai.kankanews.com/kuaiba.../1599812.shtml

[998S]

are you crazy guys?
what are you discussing? I am not the most law abbiding women on earth, but that tops it.
I stop at every red light, drive on the correct lane, more or less obey the speed limits (+/- 10%)

You are crazy not to stop at traffic lights.
Just stop, stop, too much risk with other drivers just not seeing you.

If you make sure that there's no one coming from both sides, I don't see the problem.

I blow through as many lights as I can.

OK, here's my driving way in Shanghai:
- I often run through red light if it's safe (means arriving to a complete stop, look on both sides to check for potential incoming cars/scooters before going through), unless it's big crossroad.

Yesterday News on ICS, I'm warning you it's not for the faint of heart:
http://shanghai.kankanews.com/kuaiba.../1599812.shtml

Still sure you run red lights in the future?

[Barry]

Sure, because it's how you run them! Running a red light after making sure it's safe is a whole different thing than running them Chinese E-biker style (with very bad or no brakes)!

[ChinaV]

Still sure you run red lights in the future?

Probably, depends on how much I've had to drink.

Cheers!
ChinaV

[TexasAggie]

Probably, depends on how much I've had to drink.

Cheers!
ChinaV

[Nuhaus]

One thing driving in Shanghai taught me is that you cannot take anything for granted. Even if it's a green light I still slow down. In fact, when I was doing my motorcycle safety course in Canada I got into trouble with my instructors for doing this. I have had two major accidents in China since I started riding, both at intersections, both involving red Ebikes, both times avoidable if I had slowed down more. Also, both time my helmet and gear saved me from worse injury.