Sport bikes 250cc and up

[xtoss]

Here's the story in English, Nikkei...

sad.

that SUCKS!!! :(

[braillce]

Latest news.

Murata shop claims they can get:

- Ninja 250 in April for 42K.
- Z 250 in October for 39K.
- Kawa 600 or 650 (which?), didn't ask price nor exact model or available time, sory.

That is much less than the usual msrp x2...

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They need 2 months to get the bike here.

Voila... This is what they claim.

I'm not 100% decided yet.

[MJH]

The Z250 will begin shipping to dealers in March 2013, its an Indonesian model. The retail price in Indonesian is $5,000.00 USD.

From where to where you import


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Importing from:	Indonesia
Importing to:	China

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The type of product, its value and where it was manufactured


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Product description:	Z250
Product category:	Engine Capacity: 126 - 250 cc - Exceeding 190 cc but not exceeding 250 cc (87112050)
Product value:	US$5000.00
Country of manufacture:	Indonesia

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The cost of shipping and insurance of importing


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Shipping costs:	US$1000.00
Insurance costs:	US$100.00

Calculation results


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Total customs value:	CH¥38047.97
- Duty:	CH¥17121.59
- Consumption tax:	CH¥1706.27
- VAT:	CH¥9668.89
Total import duty & taxes due:	CH¥28496.75
Total landed cost:	CH¥66544.72 at USD/CNY exchange rate of 6.2374

Calculation notes


Notes on duty & taxes rates

• Z250 has an import duty rate of 45% and VAT rate of 17%, Consumption Tax rate is 3%.

Notes on import taxes due

• Please note that your shipping provider may add an additional handling fee

[ZMC888]

Isn't the Ninja 250 now the Ninja 300? So they are selling old stock? Honestly we need a reliable 400-500cc displacement Japanese bike like the new CB500. China already has the GW250, and personally I think a Chinese GW250 and Indonesian Ninja 250 are about the same in quality terms, albeit the GW is a much nicer price.

[bikerdoc]

The Z250 will begin shipping to dealers in March 2013, its an Indonesian model. The retail price in Indonesian is $5,000.00 USD.
2From where to where you import

Edit

Importing from:	Indonesia
Importing to:	China

The type of product, its value and where it was manufactured


Edit

Product description:	Z250
Product category:	Engine Capacity: 126 - 250 cc - Exceeding 190 cc but not exceeding 250 cc (87112050)
Product value:	US$5000.00
Country of manufacture:	Indonesia

3

The cost of shipping and insurance of importing


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Shipping costs:	US$1000.00
Insurance costs:	US$100.00

Please note that your shipping provider may add an additional handling feeZ250 has an import duty rate of 45% and VAT rate of 17%, Consumption Tax rate is 3%.Calculation results

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Total customs value:	CH¥38047.97
- Duty:	CH¥17121.59
- Consumption tax:	CH¥1706.27
- VAT:	CH¥9668.89
Total import duty & taxes due:	CH¥28496.75
Total landed cost:	CH¥66544.72 at USD/CNY exchange rate of 6.2374

Calculation notes

Notes on duty & taxes rates
Notes on import taxes due

There is an additional one off fee of CNY30,000 to be applied to the calculation above. It is a base fee, not calculated on the value of the bike being imported. Therefore irrespective if the bike is worth US$1,000 or US1,000,000 the special one of importation fee remains at CNY30,000. I will dig up the name of the "fee" if I can find the information. I just recall it is payable and in addition to the taxes based on the MSRP (and the MSRP is as DEFINED by the relevant Chinese authorities).

[ZMC888]

There is an additional one off fee of CNY30,000 to be applied to the calculation above. It is a base fee, not calculated on the value of the bike being imported. Therefore irrespective if the bike is worth US$1,000 or US1,000,000 the special one of importation fee remains at CNY30,000. I will dig up the name of the "fee" if I can find the information. I just recall it is payable and in addition to the taxes based on the MSRP (and the MSRP is as DEFINED by the relevant Chinese authorities).

In other words a country that makes a huge living from exports has massive tariffs on imports, complete hypocrisy, and the governments of other countries are stupid enough to let them get away with it.

[braillce]

Isn't the Ninja 250 now the Ninja 300? So they are selling old stock? Honestly we need a reliable 400-500cc displacement Japanese bike like the new CB500. China already has the GW250, and personally I think a Chinese GW250 and Indonesian Ninja 250 are about the same in quality terms, albeit the GW is a much nicer price.

Yea a Japanese 400 or 500 locally made would solve many riders problems.

Sadly, it seems you, me, and whoever else who would love such a bike are not enough customers to create a market...


No old stocks; Ninja 300 is only for western markets, sadly.

The new Ninja 250 is indonesia only (mayb India too, dunno).

"""The updated 249cc Parallel Twin engine receives new sleeveless die-cast cylinders as well as updated pistons, crankcases and a new exhaust. The 2013 Kawasaki Ninja 250 makes use of dual throttle valves like its big brothers the ZX-10R and ZX-6R. According to Kawasaki, the second ECU-controlled throttle valve helps to regulate intake airflow for a linear response, more efficient combustion and added power. [...] Kawasaki also updated the Ninja 250 with a new diamond-style frame that is said to be stiffer than the previous frame."""

GW 250 & Ninja 250 are about same quality, I'd say so too, but this and displacement's gotta be the only commun thing the bikes have;

Because I know little about bikes, weight/power ratio is how I measure & compare them.

GW = 182 kg / 24 hp (7.58 kg/hp) - Nj 250 = 174 kg / 32 hp (5.44 kg/hp)

Here the difference is huge, and warrants 42K against 26K to me cause I already have a 165 kg / 20 hp (8.25 kg/hp) 250cc bike.

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Total landed cost:

CH¥66544.72 at USD/CNY exchange rate of 6.2374

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I knew u would say that...

These people are motorcycle centered, they go out in parades for biking events together, they're Japanese, I feel inclined to trust them.

I believe and trust you also, clearly ur goal is to warn me about what u know is truth against a potential scam.

But they have a bike at the end of their promises, and you have me without a bike, or me without 2 times the $ that bike's worth and a bike...

Thank you for ur warnings.

You too bikerdoc, thank you for keeping an eye on the n00b guys.

Although u have me without 3 times the $ that bike's worth at the end... Ouch.

I'll try to comfront the Murata shop owner with ur info and see what he has to answer.

Do u calculate the total price with a onboard program or on a website?

[MJH]

Go ahead and trust them maybe they are a ninkyo dantai?

[ZMC888]

Here the difference is huge, and warrants 42K against 26K to me cause I already have a 165 kg / 20 hp (8.25 kg/hp) 250cc bike.

You can get the Benelli 600 for 37,000, latest quote I got. Also made in China bike is going to have more spares. Although I agree a Ninja is much more powerful than the Suzuki, really though if the Suzuki is 24,000 then the Ninja is worth maybe 30,000.

[TB-Racing]

Murata's Japanese bikes on West Tianshan Rd (north side of the street), between Beiyu Rd and Pusong Rd, Near the Middle ring, in front of Beixinjing Subway station (Line 2).
They can get u anything if u got the $...

Looked at a Tianshan Road bike shop today, same shady feel as the bike shops out at the Shanghai Tianma Track.... is that the shop you mention I wonder?