TIC (This is China)

[bikerdoc]

Additionally common sense and or logic, seems to ME little of it demonstrated to any depth on a regular &/or wide basis inside mainland Ch!na by the local populace educated or otherwise, IMO. Come take a look where I'm employed for a first hand view!

[MJH]

Oh I am sure actually living in china affect your perception of china, but it does not change its history that is pretty well documented. They began integrating western ideas way before you arrived there, they are capitalist and communist, scary thought if you ask me.


My definition of Logic changed when I took a college logic class, which I dropped after a week as I could not stand it.

[euphonius]

Oh I am sure actually living in china affect your perception of china, but it does not change its history that is pretty well documented. They began integrating western ideas way before you arrived there, they are capitalist and communist, scary thought if you ask me.

This reminds of a joke I heard about Russia and China. The Russians today are communists pretending to be capitalists, while the Chinese are capitalists pretending to be communists.

There is very little communism or socialism being practiced in China today.

[bikerdoc]

Oh I am sure actually living in china affect your perception of china, but it does not change its history that is pretty well documented. They began integrating western ideas way before you arrived there, they are capitalist and communist, scary thought if you ask me.

My definition of Logic changed when I took a college logic class, which I dropped after a week as I could not stand it.

Thought as much...

[td_ref]

double post

[td_ref]

Mr. doc, if you were showing the "logic" to me, I would be confused. I have my education in China till high school, then went to UK for undergraduate study. All China high school study marxism and mao's philosophy and Deng's. My high school classmate went on that in college, as compulsory subject. I'm not entirly sure if post graduate has to study that too.
I believe you guys didn't have to read textbook Zhengzhi. Neither now new generation parents have saying to object that "philosophy", if ever new parents question the textbook.

[bikerdoc]

Mr. doc, if you were showing the "logic" to me, I would be confused. I have my education in China till high school, then went to UK for undergraduate study. All China high school study marxism and mao's philosophy and Deng's. My high school classmate went on that in college, as compulsory subject. I'm not entirly sure if post graduate has to study that too.
I believe you guys didn't have to read textbook Zhengzhi. Neither now new generation parents have saying to object that "philosophy", if ever new parents question the textbook.

td_ref, I'd be guessing you would not be alone and that many local mainland Ch!nese would have no idea about the characters "逻辑" as has been the case with the Ch!nese colleagues/friends I have asked. It seems an elusive concept IMO here inside Ch!na. Reflects back on education both formal and informal. Though in all fairness, the central government is well aware of the failings and short comings of the education system and is wanting to change it, a long with quite a few other aspects without loosing the integral and cultural aspects of what it means to be mainland Ch!nese. These things have to be carefully managed and massaged into place, and will take time. The part about the theories of Marx, Mao, et al. were likely not so much dissected and critically analysed, but just memorised verbatim. I'd assume that td_ref, you'd have simply had to memorise all of the content of say the Mao-!st little red book, carry it with you at all times, and be able to quote from it, if asked?

From my experience assisting Asian students (when I was at Uni doing my first undergrad studies two decades ago overseas), many Asians' really excelled at the hard sciences, where memorising facts, numbers and performing computational tasks were the key to the topic and therefore being able to use and rely on their often keen memorisation/rote learning techniques. Those that were studying soft or social sciences had a much harder struggle with their subjects where interpretation, reflection and critical analysis were more often required.

[bikerdoc]

and td_ref, I absolutely luv "Top Gear"... bloody brilliant... same like the UK version of "The Office"... while the American version of the latter, not so much.

[TB-Racing]

"Top Gear"... bloody brilliant...

the TG Specials are very-very good and entertaining, the regular TG program needs a bit of an overhaul, It was a little shocking how fat Clarkson, and to a lesser degree James May have got in the last season (first season of 2013). Clarkson's big gut, made me think of on of those wildlife TV documentaries where you see a snake digesting a whole antelope.....

[td_ref]

The part about the theories of Marx, Mao, et al. were likely not so much dissected and critically analysed, but just memorised verbatim. I'd assume that td_ref, you'd have simply had to memorise all of the content of say the Mao-!st little red book, carry it with you at all times, and be able to quote from it, if asked?

No, I didn't carry red book (in late 1990s). In school it is national curriculum, I had to pass the exam. The textbook size was like other ones. The school doesn't teach other way of thinking things, I think the whole point is only allow student what to believe.