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Is this a Q-Link Model? Great info here...(won't spill to much about me) but I've been in the Chinese Powersport Industry for a few years and it reminds me of the Japanese bikes back in late 60's early 70's trying to figure out "moto-cross" bikes! The Chinese bikes have made great strides, but still have a very long way to go.....Best of luck and keep up the good info.
The original maker is JINAN QINGQI, model QM200GY-BA (also known as qm200gy-b(a) ) for the supermotard version.
Also made by an outfit known as Shandong Pioneer and called XF200GY-B this is some sort of subsidiary of the main factory.
In USA it's the QLINK XF200 Supermoto and they're located in Grapevine,Texas, web site http://www.qlinkmotor.com/contact.php
In Brasil it's called a STX 200 Motard Sundown
In the UK it appears as:
Pulse Adrenaline
Sinnis Apache QM200GY
and Superbyke RMR200
In Chile/Colombia QMT200 or GXT Euromot
In Honduras Genesis Supermoto or KMF
In Spain it's marketed by Qingqi importer direct or I-moto as a Tiger sm 125
In Turkey it's a Ramzey QM200GY
In Checkoslovakia it's a YUKI 250 SM
In Russia it's called QINGQI DRAGON 200 SUPERMOTO
In France Hooper SMR
In Germany it's imported by the prestigious Kreidler as a Supermoto 125 DD
In Australia Arqin motorcycles RT200SM
In Sweden they call it a TMS Supermotard 200cc
In the Ukraine its a SkyMoto Dragon-200
In the Philippines it's a SINSKY Motard 200R
Thanks for your effort forchetto......you're welcome:confused1::rolleyes1:
That nails it for me...I do Appreciate your help!!!
Thanks again.
Hi! I am new to the forum. I live in Honduras and recently bought a 200 SuperMotard made by Qingqi. Here in Honduras there are two importers, The biggest one is also the official importer of YAMAHA; the other one is a small importer who also runs a Moto Shop. This bike is named here Genesis SuperMoto and KMF by its respective importers, and differs only in color and decoration between them. I have only ridden it (The Genesis one) to the extent of 300 km by far, and am really pleased with it. The only problem I had is probably my fault: I was in the process of changing the original handlebar (which I advise, in terms of getting more strength from a reputable aftermarket firm) when I noticed that the little pin of the switch in the left lever bracket (clutch lever) was missing, so, that device that prevents you from starting it in gear without disengaging the clutch is rendered useless. I should have checked that in the sales room prior to choosing that particular bike, due the fact that the electrical componentes have no warranty. But, so far, I do not feel hindered by it because I hope I will never attempt to start it in gear. I have read mostly good reports in some forums about it, but also some horror stories about broken third gear, broken sprocket screws and loose spokes. Any of you have any experience about those subjects? A very good mechanic of my aquaintance also told me that some times that things happen, in his own experience. Sorry for a message so long in my first attempt. A friendly salute to you all. Keep the wheel side up!::thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by forchetto
That clutch cut-out switch is of a very weak design, don't think they will last too long on the harsh conditions in a bike.Quote:
Originally Posted by MotoDrunken
One of the reasons I bought this bike was the absence of the usual Horror stories in forums and review sites concerning Chinese bikes. I only ever found one case of a chap that sent the bike back to the dealer because a total oil loss caused by a loose engine mount???, wrecked his piston, cylinder and camshaft.
I have had a couple of loose spokes, and have had to retighten some engine support bolts, and a few light spots of rust in things like the brackets that are attached to the petrol tank for anchoring the seat, side "wings", etc. Otherwise I'm happy with the quality so far, it runs well and handles like Maradona...
Hey i live in Colombia South America and im about to get a QM200GY, bu i have a doubt... thing is they advertise the bike here as if it had 18 hp, but everywhere i look on the web i see qingqi says it has arround 15, the sales manager here says, they have a special version, because they simply asked qingqi to make the bike that way for our country... CAN THAT REALLY BE TRUE???
Thx in advanced... and great article mate =)
PS: The name here is QMT200, and is over 3000 dollars... dang
I just returned from a 5000 kilometer trip on the the QM200GY DualSport version. Overall, a pretty reliable machine with a couple minor problems . #1 The spokes and the rear sprocket must be checked every 1000 kilometers. If the spokes get loose, you may end up sheering the bolts off the rear sprocket. I had to purchase an entire rear wheel assembly. Should have checked spoke tension more often. #2 The stator failed during the trip and would not put out enough electricity to charge the battery. I'm going to try and find a Suzuki DR200 OEM Stator to replace the original. Other than that, a great little machine!Quote:
Originally Posted by MotoDrunken
Cheers
ChinaV
The only thing I can think of is that for South America you might not need the emissions gear that the European bikes have. For example mine has an oxidation Catalyser inside the muffler, and the exhaust pipe close to the head has a port for a SAI (secondary air injection). Both could reduce the power to about the 15.4 HP they advertise in Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by posadajulian
As the engine comes from a Suzuki DR200 and that makes about 20HP, I wonder what other things have changed, for example, the carburettor in Europe is 28mm, but the Suzuki's is 31 mm. Do you know what size carb is used in South America?.
Two posts in the same thread by different folks that mention loose spokes and sprocket bolt failure... This is too much of a coincidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinaV
I have found one or two spokes loose, but was happy to see Qingqi using bent-over tab washers for security of the sprocket bolts. Of course this is no good if the steel is of poor quality.
I will be changing them for some high tensile steel items, grade 10.9 or better. (Hardware comes in grades according to its material and tensile strengh. The grades are: 4.6, 4.8, 5.8, 8.8, 9.8, 10.9, and 12.9. Ordinary stuff like mudguards and the like usually have the 5.8 grade, whilst suspension and transmission items should have 8.8 or better). Good concise guide about bolts here: http://www.qldcorvetteclub.com.au/te...talk/bolts.htm
Thanks for the warning on that.
We need 6x M8x30 mm High-tensile bolts, but can re-use the security tab washers:
http://www.telecable.es/personales/a...i/sprocket.jpg
We all know that turning on lights, etc, puts extra load on the engine, but most bike engines have sufficient torque at idle and don't even notice this. The Qingqi is peculiar in that switching on the headlight at idle makes the engine slow down by some 200-300 revs...this could have something to do with the poor stator, as you say.
Another clue is that the regulator (just in front of the petrol tank on the right) runs very hot, even though it is in a superb place to receive plenty of cooling air. Just put your hand in the fins after a run.
Any heat in a regulator device is a loss and the Qingqi one is running at a poor level of efficiency.
If you do find a DR200 stator, could you give us the part number?. This is to be able to walk into the Suzuki dealer, with head held high and ask for the correct item straight away. If not, the question will be: What bike, year, etc is it for?. When you answer "qingqi" they either fall about laughing, or their expression goes blank.
Hi Forchetto! Thank you very much for your comments. I also think this is a great little ride and that one only needs to check it up more often... until the time comes when it proves its mettle. Hey! even girl friends deserve that treatment... not to mention wife stories. Well, up to the point: I really doubt that a loose engine mount could`ve caused a total oil loss... that guy could also have trouble with his shoe laces... please get an eye on him, for God`s sake. I also don´t want it to handle or behave like Maradona in his latest form... some really weird things could happen! Enjoy your ride Bro! It feels really good to share some thoughts with people like you. Can I ask you something? Have you had a problem with restarting it after a wash? (a really careful initial wash) Mine let its spark plug cover to allow water to get in. It was easy to remedy (just unplugged it and dried it), but I now feel scared of riding it in our typical wet season tropical monsoons. Hope we`ll be in touch.:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by forchetto
Thank you Pal! Have you traced the cause of the stator problem? It should really sucks (no to mention scare you to death) to have that problem in the middle of nowhere. I`m glad you seemed to get over it good enough. Hope you luck in your hybrid transplantation attempts (It may work like an organ transplant from a twin brother, I hope).Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinaV
Is yours fitted with a metal-clad spark plug cap?. These were a notorious source of trouble when Honda used them in the 70's and 80's.Quote:
Originally Posted by MotoDrunken
It got so bad that good dealers changed them before delivery,at their own expense, to avoid disgruntled riders coming back with the same troubles in the wet.
They were originally fitted to cut down radio-TV interference, but nowadays with FM, UHF and Digital transmissions there's no danger in that.
The metal clading is held by little tabs that can be bent out and they reveal a normal plastic cap. Otherwise just change it for a non-metallic one.
It's one of those things that the Japs abandoned years ago and the Chinese have adopted for some reason, old stock?, old design?.
There's a thread that I started a while ago here:
http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=341
http://www.igijon.com/personales/nom...lugtrouble.jpg
Ill try getting the info...Quote:
Originally Posted by forchetto
:thumbsup:You´re really right. We should be aware of those potential problems in order to get ahead of them, just in case. We must help each other in regards of the sources for must reliable parts. If Suzuki parts (especially the electrical ones) could be interchangeable with our current rides, it could give us some sort of "security blanket" to lay upon. And you´re right again: we must know what we`re looking for in Big S dealers, even if it`s just to expedite things up. I hope we don`t get any horror stories to comment, but if bad things happen, we better publish them immediately. "La unión hace la fuerza" :swords:Quote:
Originally Posted by forchetto
Thanks again, but that`s not the case. Mine has a normal rubber cap. Maybe some dielectric grease in the upper electrode? Should work better than a spray of WD 40, I think. If you know of a proven way to avoid those problems, please let me know.:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by forchetto
Now you mention it... Do we have a list of the compatible Suzuki parts??Quote:
Originally Posted by MotoDrunken
Well, nothing official, Brother. Seems that carburetor, stator, switch gear, spark plug, oil filter, shift lever, front sprocket, and probably the piston, camshaft and related paraphernalia should work, as well as the gears inside the crankcase, from what I´ve heard. But as Carl told us before, maybe only by direct comparison we`ll be sure of that... and that involves always the risk of failure (trial and error).Quote:
Originally Posted by posadajulian
I have one question for you: Do you live in the high lands of Colombia (as in Bogotá)? and if that`s the case, how does the bike behave at altitudes higher than 1000 m? Have you had the experience? Tegucigalpa is only at about 1100m above sea level, but chances are I could end up riding it as high as 2000 m. Nothing to do with the altitudes at what you can ride in your country, but... just curious. "Saludos hermano, que estés bien":thumbsup:
Quote:
Originally Posted by MotoDrunken
Hmm then we probably should start a thread or something regarding some tests on this compatibility.
About your question, i Live in medellin, its about 1500m above sea here, and i can tell you the bike behaves incredibly, i still havent got the bike for myself, but a friend of mine has it and he says it can climb on roads with some serious inclination at over 80 kmh (50 mph) , and he has gone arround 120 kmh (75 mph) on flat roads, so... the bike rocks
Que estes muy bien tu tambien =)
Jsut been to a site http://www.bikebandit.com with lots of microfiche-type documents and found references to a 2007 Suzuki DR200SE stator assembly. After picking myself off the floor on seeing the price, here are the part numbers and prices for all the magneto parts:Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinaV
1: STATOR ASSY 491352-001 $234.57
2: ROTOR ASSY 491424-001 $242.19
3: SCREW 466051-001 $0.76
4: NUT,MAGNETO ROT(M12X1.25) 2516616-001 $1.66
5: SCREW 5860957-001 $0.76
6: KEY 473604-001 $1.62
As a comparison I have the Spanish Qingqi importers price list and the entire magneto assembly is only $134...
If you add all the items in the above list it comes to a total of $481.56.
I doubt the quality is the same, or are the items the same and the prices adjusted simply to to be in proportion to the initial cost of the machines?.
Suzuki DR200SE (2007) magneto assembly:
http://www.telecable.es/personales/a...gnetodr200.jpg
And here's the Qingqi's magneto asssembly
http://www.telecable.es/personales/a...gnetoqm200.jpg
They're similar and possibly compatible, but not exactly the same.
There's a special tool / puller to withdraw the rotor. This is the Suzuki one and fits lots of Suzuki singles. You could possibly make one or use a universal puller. I got the puller from the same people that sold me a Suzuki DR200SE workshop manual http://www.repairmanual.com/items/17/10475 and cost $19.55 :
http://www.telecable.es/personales/a...l%20puller.jpg
Looking through my Suzuki DR200SE workshop manual today, I noticed that Suzuki use this "4" and "7" code to denote normal and high tensile bolts respectively.
See this general torque chart:
http://www.telecable.es/personales/a...quegeneral.jpg
I might as well post here the rest of the DR200 torque settings freshly scanned from the manual for another member:
Engine torque figures:
http://www.telecable.es/personales/a...rqueengine.jpg
Chassis torque figures:
http://www.telecable.es/personales/a...quechassis.jpg
Nice bolts and drop shadow on those pics ChinaV...
Qinqgi qm200gy:
Sundown STX Motard 200cc
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hi guys, i just recently bought a QingQi supermotard 200cc. Its one of the first 3 imported to south-africa and all i can say about this bike is that its simply just awsome!!!:thumbsup:Its realy the best bike i've seen from Qingqi so far and also thier mamba 200cc is quite cool but i've tried both and the motard hails supreme.although the exaust sound kind of too soft and girly for my licking is there anythning i can do like to drill holes in my baffle or something too get a better sound cuz one of my pals did it with his viper and it pulls much better and sounds awsome??please help!I'll have some pics up in a while of my motard and the mamba
Misfit,
Wanna drill holes in your pipe? Forchetto has it covered, complete with instructions!
http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=321
Happy Farkling,
CC
Hey people, hey forchetto...
FINALLY GOT IT, THE QM200 ROCKS, LOOKS GREAT, GREAT POWER (HERE THEY HAVE 18 HP), EASY TO HANDLE, ETC ETC ETC, CHANGED THE TIRES FOR A COUPLE OF PIRELLI SPORT DEMON, AND I LOVE IT, THANK YOU ALL, THANK YOU THANK YOU.
EHEM... NOW I THINK ABOUT IT.. FORCHETTO... I FOLLOWED ALL YOUR RECOMENDATIONS... DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS? LIKE CHANGE THIS OR CHANGE THAT... I WOULD KINDA FOLLOW THEM BLINDLY :riding:
I HAVE A QINGQI 125 VIPER WHAT CAN I DO TO GET MORE POWER OUT OF MY BIKE
Posada,
There are lots of threads on MCM about customizing the QingQi200GY. Do a search and you'll see all kinds of stuff!
DarkStar,
Hello and welcome. Feel free to introduce youself in the Introduction section. Where are you posting from? The 125's are very similar to the 200's. I'm not sure if you can put a 200cc top end on the engine since the case looks the same. Besides that, the power changes would be stuff like jets, pipe, airbox changes.
Generally, a 125 is a 125 and even with some changes there's no guarantee you'll have a much more powerful bike...sometimes it's worse.
CC