I will PM the SAGA dealer to see if he has any ideas on lowering, and I read the linked thread. I'm not sure if shaving the seat will give me quite enough, I'm also looking at the swing-arm mount plate to see if I can fab another one up with the same geometry but to lower the mounting position. Until I look at the bike more thoroughly I am just speculating right now. I will also lower the forks in the tree, as there is quite a bit of latitude there. I'm aware of the complications of modifying the ride height, and have talked at length to my motorcycle mechanic friend about it. I've also done a lot of wrenching on my own bikes, and rebuilt one (I took aircraft maintenance school), and with over 20+ years riding (and a year of racing) I'm pretty comfortable with experimenting on this bike. It seems as if everything is fairly simple, if not exactly easy to work on because of some clearances. It will be a good project for me while I wait for the snow to melt enough to ride.