Chongqing to Urumqi

[raymondygz]

tom's thread should be a guide for any forgeiner to ride in china. it can be a text book. the way to kashgar, it will be breath taken Grand beauty. enjoy the bike and the journey.

[felix]

Savage report you absolute pikey.

You seem to have attained that elusive balance in your life where you do just enough work to spend the rest of your time doing what you love. Few people ever manage to get it so right, respect to you and all your achievements.

You make a solid case for the yingang and their future models. I have a few questions:
- Is it possible that you are getting preferential treatment and that their customer service isn't as good as you claim? For example, back in '09 i got a lot of free parts for my galaxy and thought they had phenomenal after sales service, but chinaV on the other hand often contemplated suicide rather than having to deal with them.
- If shineray stole the engine from yingang, how come the X2 came out two years before?
- How are they getting the JH600 engine? Will it be the old stalltastic version?

Looking forward to seeing this 600 anyway. Twice the power of the ybr for the same price...

[futianshenzhen]

Hey Felix,

With regard to your questions...

Preferential CS treatment - it's possible! I don't know any other laowai who ride a yingang bike so who knows?! If I was to hazard a guess though, I’d say probably not. Because they are a smaller company and are trying to expand and improve their brand, I’d say they would provide the great CS I receive to everyone. Raymond is the guy in charge of the "cool" yingang bikes and he is a passionate biker himself and he just gets it. I also deal with people on the parts desk and while they don’t speak English they are very efficient and parts are shipped efficiently and without error, I’m sure this would be the same for any customer.

Which came first, the shineray or the yingang? Good question! I had to check up on the details and well, it’s complicated but basically yingang. Yingang 'developed' the engine and in 2007 they sold 57 prototype engines to shineray. Why? you may ask. Well, at that time yingang didn’t have a suitable frame to put that engine in and they wanted to recoup some of the development costs. They now admit that they chose the wrong customer and regret it. I’m reading between the lines here but I don’t think they realised that shineray would jump the gun and release their bike immediately, the engine was still being developed and it seems shineray were happy to let their customers ‘test’ an engine that still had a lot of problems. Yingang continued to improve it and consequently the yingang unit is now apparently more powerful than the shineray version. I think yingang have a grudging respect for the ‘brave’ decision that shineray took and the success they’ve enjoyed although they are kicking themselves for selling them the engine in the first place!!

The story of the jialing engine is another example of how dog eat dog the Chinese motorcycle industry is! Apparently there was a walkout of jialing engineers involved with the 600 cc engine which forced jialing to outsource production to I think the cummings factory, I forget the exact details but the jialing engine is now made by a factory which usually builds diggers and the like. I don’t know any more details about that but anyway yingang managed to sweet talk the good folk at cummings (or somewhere similar) into selling them the 600 engine and it seems jialing couldn’t do a thing about it. I imagine they are less than amused by yingang coming in and sneakily gaining access to a now well functioning power unit without incurring any of the development costs! Yingang told me that the engine will actually be better than the jialing version as it will be easier to service, I’d be amazed if it stalls like the old jialings used to.

I too can’t wait to see it! I already have a substantial collection of bikes, 5 at last count, but may well be tempted myself! At the very least I will be upgrading to a 300 or 350 in my current frame.

All the best mate, and I hope to see you out on the road sometime…

[futianshenzhen]

Here are some stitched images that i was too stupid to upload earlier. Being a computer caveman I didnt realise there was a file size limit and have just leant all about image reduction software!!

Felix - love the cumshots thread, great idea!


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[raymondygz]

Hey Felix,

With regard to your questions...

Preferential CS treatment - it's possible! I don't know any other laowai who ride a yingang bike so who knows?! If I was to hazard a guess though, I’d say probably not. Because they are a smaller company and are trying to expand and improve their brand, I’d say they would provide the great CS I receive to everyone. Raymond is the guy in charge of the "cool" yingang bikes and he is a passionate biker himself and he just gets it. I also deal with people on the parts desk and while they don’t speak English they are very efficient and parts are shipped efficiently and without error, I’m sure this would be the same for any customer.

Which came first, the shineray or the yingang? Good question! I had to check up on the details and well, it’s complicated but basically yingang. Yingang 'developed' the engine and in 2007 they sold 57 prototype engines to shineray. Why? you may ask. Well, at that time yingang didn’t have a suitable frame to put that engine in and they wanted to recoup some of the development costs. They now admit that they chose the wrong customer and regret it. I’m reading between the lines here but I don’t think they realised that shineray would jump the gun and release their bike immediately, the engine was still being developed and it seems shineray were happy to let their customers ‘test’ an engine that still had a lot of problems. Yingang continued to improve it and consequently the yingang unit is now apparently more powerful than the shineray version. I think yingang have a grudging respect for the ‘brave’ decision that shineray took and the success they’ve enjoyed although they are kicking themselves for selling them the engine in the first place!!

The story of the jialing engine is another example of how dog eat dog the Chinese motorcycle industry is! Apparently there was a walkout of jialing engineers involved with the 600 cc engine which forced jialing to outsource production to I think the cummings factory, I forget the exact details but the jialing engine is now made by a factory which usually builds diggers and the like. I don’t know any more details about that but anyway yingang managed to sweet talk the good folk at cummings (or somewhere similar) into selling them the 600 engine and it seems jialing couldn’t do a thing about it. I imagine they are less than amused by yingang coming in and sneakily gaining access to a now well functioning power unit without incurring any of the development costs! Yingang told me that the engine will actually be better than the jialing version as it will be easier to service, I’d be amazed if it stalls like the old jialings used to.

I too can’t wait to see it! I already have a substantial collection of bikes, 5 at last count, but may well be tempted myself! At the very least I will be upgrading to a 300 or 350 in my current frame.

All the best mate, and I hope to see you out on the road sometime…

From a chinese forum Moto8, Yingang Unicorn ridder will have a tour from chongqing to Huoerguosi, the border to KAzak in July. it will go through G318 and G219. they should be the most charllenging road in China. if the thing is ture, I will translate that threds from Moto8 to this site. and if we are lucky enough, we should be able to see the rummor 600 and new 250 Unicorn.