Life in part is about conflict management, if you cannot defuse the situation then best choice is get out of that situation. If your choice is to escalate the conflict then that is also menacing behavior. There are people driving everyday that are menacing and many of them actually believe that are breaking no laws.


The motorcycle riders were all menacing that is clear in the video and other videos associated are demonstrating the behavior, they ride recklessly and are endangering others.


However how you address these menacing riders and what happen because of that is important, when is the use of deadly forces appropriate and when is it excessive?


I think I see evidence of what was excessive with the SUV, I think that there was a fast peeling off when what was needed was a warning and a slow and steady progression forward, driving over people is excessive. Serving notice as in giving warning is missing and in that I see liability for the drivers actions and what resulted in damages.


I also believe that these riders very likely only conflict with those that interfere with them and their reckless spree. I have suspicion that the action of the SUV leading to the start of the video were not intended to defuse and avoid the conflict, I see evidence that that may have escalated it.


When law enforcement was called then they should have consulted as advised the driver to get away and not to conflict or antagonize. I also believe that without restraint the victim becomes an equally menacing antagonist.


Without any video evidence of the events leading up to the video starting, the SUV pushing its 600lbs through a group of motorcycle, we do not know at what point the SUV may have become antagonistic, however witnesses may bring that out and if consistent then there may be also the possibility of reckless and menacing chargers filed on the SUV driver, who did not leave the scene and chose another way to address the group of menacing riders.


The driver of the SUV could also bring about civil lawsuits on the riders and also the NYCPD, these videos of riders and their blatant disregard of traffic laws are so incriminating and law enforcement not addressing them is a dereliction of duty. Also dispatch not advising drivers to avoid conflict is also a dereliction of duty.


If a call is made to 911 then its connection should be maintained and statements made and then investigations take place. But it is certainly the responsibility of dispatch to defuse conflicts and in cases like these it is not only about suggesting to leave the roadway it is about demanding that and if not respected could result in being charged with obstructing of justice.


If I was in the SUV I would have not been beaten down, I would have gotten away with no damages at all.
I would have then gathered up all the evidence and handed that evidence to the mayor and his chief of police and said solve this problem or I will hand you your asses.


So in some degrees Lien is a vigilante hero and in another he is a fool with the scares to prove it. But he brought it to the front as a vigilante does, they force it to the extreme, they stand their ground they become bad in addressing what is bad, they bring the lack of civil disorder to light.