Haojin 广东大冶摩托车技术有限公司

[MJH]

New offerings from Kinden
KD150-G

5,945.00 CNY

=

890.187 USD

KD150-H

5,972.00 CNY

=

894.168 USD

Kinden is selling factory direct off its website.

[beniamin82]

The same engine has Junak in his offering 121 FL:



5299 PLN = 1369.09 USD = 9133.32 RMB

Domestically sell at : 5899 RMB

[MJH]

Those engines are Tyan engines offered on Haojiang, Tayo, Zontes, Kinden and Senke. However, Senke diverges as they also use other engines, the others do not offer engines sourced from outside of TYAN.
Both major Polish brands, Junak and Romet source out of some common manufactures, separate brand names sourcing from the same suppliers.
I would like to see the DR250 engine used in some other models, they could use the same practice they use for the 125/150/200 engines putting them into lots of different models.
They focused on developing one model for that engine, they should have expanded it into at least three different models. Just like Jialing did with the 223 models.
The HJ150-J which is a very modest attempt at a GY (dual sport) is selling well. I would like to see an HJ250-J same concept just more robust.
Only Senke is offering a classic standard model, a larger version of that with the DOHC 250 would likely be popular.
They need to eventually offer larger engines, midrange singles and twins.

[beniamin82]

I like your point of view in case of 250cc. But in Poland the importers have problems with selling low sized motorcycles.

The People here have not so much Money to have two or thre bikes. They have one, and then they choose old, used japan 650-700cc.

This is changing because the incomes are rising year to year.

250cc is a choice for People they don't drove a bike for years. They drive it 2-3years and buy a bigger one.

And bigger chinese bikes like cf650 or even korea hyousung are not popular. Because for a new one you cam buy a 5-7years old Japanese bike.

The service is also very bad,because it is seazon job.

And the 125cc are selling very well because you do not need motorcycle license to drive it.

[MJH]

It’s a little complex the endorsement system the EU utilizes, in Poland specifically you automatically get AM (50cc<) and A1 (125cc<) endorsements with a B (passenger car) endorsement.
That system will theoretically generate some increases in sales over time into the A2 class of which a 250cc exists. In that they really need to have some midrange bikes and all priced affordably. Some of them would be sleeved down and or restricted to fit the category.
As far as seasonality, that is not unique to Poland, the dealer’s services departments typically do projects over winter months, if they are smart they do. Its all part of managing a business.

[MJH]

Zontes next offering will be a 312 cc model.


single cylinder 312cc, compression ratio up to 12.5: 1, the maximum power of 27kw, the maximum torque of more than 30N.m.

[NZBrakelathes]

Too many chooses is bad, just causes more headaches lack of parts no manuals or after sales. Welcome to Chinese bikes and choose more common the better


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[MJH]

Haojiang from what I have read is one of the manufactures that invested in upgrading and expanding production. So, they have a modern facility and are developing new products.
They do not have a bad reputation.
They are aggressively selling low cost 150cc models under the Kinden brand, the Zontes brand was for export and the same version sold domestically under the Haojiang brand, which also is sold under the Tayo brand in export markets.
They manufacturer engines under the Tayan brand, this is the latest engine it was preceded by their 250cc DOHC which is a copy of a Suzuki engine, the 312cc is water cooled and they are floating numbers like it having 36hp putting it under the KTM Duke 390 and above the BMW 312…it has not been released yet however they are targeting the mainstream markets.

another version of the 312.

It is all very complex, the industry is in attrition, what is odd is that it is doing that in ways that appear to be controlled? I imagine they may be restraining through financing and that may be used by some to continue operating. It is too complex to explain, other than it is not a free market, access to capital comes through central banking.
Those that are more directed as in having a clear direction with defined research and development will likely remain and others eventually will close, but that is the thing closing too many too fast will affect the industry adversely, not only that it would displace laborers.
I have no doubt that Haojiang will continue, its production is diverse it is covering all levels of the market. It is developing new models that are likely to sell reasonably well, the 312 will if they got it correct, it will go unnoticed for a while and in that they really need to strengthen export distribution partners. They may want to consider a production partnership in India. Simply because to compete with the BMW and Duke they would need access to their largest market.

[NZBrakelathes]

Haojiang from what I have read is one of the manufactures that invested in upgrading and expanding production. So, they have a modern facility and are developing new products.
They do not have a bad reputation.
They are aggressively selling low cost 150cc models under the Kinden brand, the Zontes brand was for export and the same version sold domestically under the Haojiang brand, which also is sold under the Tayo brand in export markets.
They manufacturer engines under the Tayan brand, this is the latest engine it was preceded by their 250cc DOHC which is a copy of a Suzuki engine, the 312cc is water cooled and they are floating numbers like it having 36hp putting it under the KTM Duke 390 and above the BMW 312…it has not been released yet however they are targeting the mainstream markets.

another version of the 312.

It is all very complex, the industry is in attrition, what is odd is that it is doing that in ways that appear to be controlled? I imagine they may be restraining through financing and that may be used by some to continue operating. It is too complex to explain, other than it is not a free market, access to capital comes through central banking.
Those that are more directed as in having a clear direction with defined research and development will likely remain and others eventually will close, but that is the thing closing too many too fast will affect the industry adversely, not only that it would displace laborers.
I have no doubt that Haojiang will continue, its production is diverse it is covering all levels of the market. It is developing new models that are likely to sell reasonably well, the 312 will if they got it correct, it will go unnoticed for a while and in that they really need to strengthen export distribution partners. They may want to consider a production partnership in India. Simply because to compete with the BMW and Duke they would need access to their largest market.

Does Zontes have any parts manuals or decent parts supply? They're made by Haojong you say?


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[MJH]

They just recently began selling the Zontes brand in China, it was an export brand.
The prioritizing of sale domestically came with an online parts ordering system, they only currently sell the ZT250.