Here is a reason why motorcycles are barred from most cities

[Bucko]

Bucko i said "Here is a reason why motorcycles are barred from most cities" not "this is the reason why motorcycles are barred from most cities"

Do you think the Chinese government are going to do a full blown analyst of motorcycle statistics I doubt it.Even if they did you and I will not have access to it.

Where did I say they should ban Motorcycles?

I read here that other people think they should ban cafe racers I think that is pretty hypocritical.What my bikes Ok but those high powered cafe racers are not.Plenty of roads up here you could use one just not at 200kph+ on the toll roads.

No doubt proper training and applying that training in proper context certainly minimizes the risks. Just that I see some people do the training and they now think they know everything.

The people up here have do alot of training to get there car license doesn't look to me there an expert driver.Same goes for some motorcyclists back home after alot of training yeah they can ride better but some think that after all that training there now an expert and push the limits sometimes with disastrous results.That's a fact.

Another bloke I know was a motorcycle postie(postman) he had to do a four day motorcycle training course once every 18 months and a 5 day course before he started so he was extremely well trained.He had been a postie for 3 years riding to work one day on his motorcycle riding up between the cars and trucks to the traffic lights he clipped or the car clipped his handlebars(he is dead so he couldn't tell the police what actually happened)tumbled off his bike under a b double truck back wheels truck ran over his chest and head didn't die straight away but 10 minutes latter.All the training didn't save him.

Ive seen plenty of motorcyclists lose there license for speeding most are well trained even though they get a discount on insurance or discount on license fees if they have no traffic infringements in the last 5 years.

By the way I don't have a car.

It would be better to have a motorcycle aware program for car drivers and other road users implemented but that is not going to happen here.

I don't know what you're correcting in my quote of what you said? I quoted the title exactly how you said you said it. You said here is a reason. Other users called that propaganda. I was defending that claim given the way that that argument was presented, which was out of context and with little substance. I would say a/the reason is that the Chinese government doesn't know how to handle the problem.

I agree that it's hypocritical to ban one kind of motorcycle and not another. This is again where my comment comes into play about statistics. The initial post of yours about the 20 motorcycle accidents comes off as propaganda if you don't indicate what kind of bikes were involved in the accidents. Chances are, almost all of them were below 200cc. Thus it doesn't make sense to ban cafe racers as a way to solve the motorcycle accident problem when most of them are not cafe racers.

As for the postie friend, I'm sorry to hear about his passing. It is very unfortunate when another biker loses their life like that especially even with proper training. However, that said, it is recommended that you probably shouldn't be riding the line between cars. Most of us do it of course, but it is inherently dangerous and any rider, especially with proper training, should be aware of that risk before engaging in it. By riding like this you are putting yourself in a countless number of cars' blind spots at a much higher relative speed to the other drivers. This is INCREDIBLY dangerous. Proper training would teach you this. Proper training teaches you that it's not how good of a driver you are but how bad other drivers are and thus you take the necessary precautions against these: honk at blind intersections and blind turns, don't ride the line, check your blind spots, don't be in others' blind spots, etc.

I don't know what country you're talking about losing your license for speeding, but at least in the U.S. you would have to be speeding WELL over the speed limit to lose your license, and at those levels, I see nothing wrong with taking away that person's license, since as you've mentioned they give other bikers a bad name and are simply an accident waiting to happen regardless of your training.

"the people up here have do alot of training to get there car license". Where is "up here" and what does that training actually entail? My guess would be not that much, and from what I know of the testing here in Beijing, it doesn't add up to much driving skills.

About the car, I guess I just misread a previous post.

Motorcycle aware programs are definitely possible in China. The central government has never shied away from PSAs. All you have to do is see the difference in drivers within Beijing and without. Most of that is largely do to efforts made during/for the olympics. The problem though is that to have such a program, the government would have to lend a certain amount of legitimacy to motorcyclists, which they don't want to do. So they'd rather ban them or restrict them then educate people on them. In other countries it's common to see "share the road" signs, etc. on highways. Here, all you see is the no motorcycles allowed sign as you ride past it. So rather than educate they restrict and ban, which in my opinion is wrong and asking for trouble.